Stop publicly harassing me, Ranier. This is your final warning. On 2020-06-03 at 12:55 PM, Ranier Vilela <ranier_...@hotmail.com> wrote: >De: Andrew Robinson <arobinso...@cox.net> >Enviado: quarta-feira, 3 de junho de 2020 19:36 >Para: Antonio Scuri >Cc: IUP discussion list.; Richard Stallman >Assunto: Re: [Iup-users] Fw: IUP License Questions > >Hello Antonio, > >On 2020-06-03 at 10:45 AM, Antonio Scuri <antonio.sc...@gmail.com<mailto:antonio.sc...@gmail.com>> wrote: >> I agree with mr Stallman, but I totally disagree with you when you say: >>And I agree with Tysen Moore and his lawyers. > >>"That got my attention because I don't like surprises, so then >>Tysen and I both asked Mr Scuri why no mention of this was made in either the >>licensing section or in the credit section, he basically said you had to go >>find it yourself somewhere within the source code." > > >I clearly said I clearly said that our secondary libraries are documented in each respective page that states they are >NOT part of our main library. Their licenses are described there. If our secondary library uses a third party library that >is GPL code then this secondary library is also GPL. That's exactly why we left it in a secondary library and NOT in the >main library. Even though all our code is open source and available to everyone use and modify. > >>"I clearly said...". > >>We asked for links and you clearly gave none. We asked for examples and you clearly gave none. That's not being >"clear", that is being evasive. All I'm asking for (and all I can see that Tysen Moore is asking for), is to pretty please >include ALL the licenses that the IUP project bundles with IUP, and put them in one easy-to-find place like the >copyright or credits section of the IUP WebBook. I don't want to see any more emails about lawyers having an excuse >to find questionable things in IUP anymore -- agreed? > >>FYI, I looked at IupTuioClient() and there is no mention of any 3rd party license. Is that because there is none? Or >maybe the license is buried somewhere in the source code (something that I am not directed or required to read or >download in the IUP documentation/WebBook)? Linking to the license on the Internet in an email or saying the >license is somewhere in the source code, is not including the license in the documentation as the licenses appear to >say they must do. The WebBook is required documentation therefore that is where ALL the licenses by default should >be mentioned, as other companies do. > >> The secondary libraries are OPTIONAL. If you don't understand that, please don't use it at all. >>Where in the IUP WebBook are any libraries/functions literally documented as being "OPTIONAL" to IUP? This is all >brand new to me. > >>"In other words, the WHOLE TRUTH is, only a part of the IUP bundled-framework can be used for public >>commercial applications, unless you want to open source your application, but >>they fail to tell you which parts are "completely free" and which are not." > > > You are not obligated to use all libraries available in IUP. If you use, the least you can do is to read the >documentation of the library. > >>Then give a direct link to where IupTuioClient() in the IUP WebBook where it clearly says it isn't a part of the IUP >licensing. I mean just as one example of "the right thing to do". > >> This is your misunderstanding. IUP exists for more than 20 years. >>One mistake in 20 years isn't something to be ashamed of, is it? >>Several times it has been analyzed for use in commercial applications that are not free. Our documentation is actually >one thing that I'm proud of, making clear and being updated in detail for everyone. > > > Again if you do think this way, please simply don't use it. >>I have a better idea: be more transparent about all the licensing requirements of anything that is not actually a part >of the IUP licensing, as every other company does. Don't make this more difficult than it has to be. > >I not agreed. >First, No one is forced to do or fail to do something for you, is that CLEAR for you! >Second, Everything that the IUP team does for users is nothing more than kindness. >Third, if you don't agree with that, you're living in the world of the moon, it's simple, stop using. > >Ranier Vilela
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