On 9/17/07, Gilles Scokart <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Xavier Hanin [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Sent: lundi 17 septembre 2007 10:41 > > To: [email protected] > > Subject: Re: What about Graduation? > > > > On 9/17/07, Scheper, Erik-Berndt <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > > Hi, > > > > > > Before starting a vote thread, wouldn't it be better to clear some > > > outstanding issues: > > > -Is it still intended to graduate as an ant subproject? (I seem to > > > remember that I read this some time ago) > > > > > > We agreed on graduating as an Ant subproject a few months ago: > > http://www.nabble.com/Destination-upon-graduation-%28was-Re%3A-Steps- > > toward-graduation%29-tf3882862.html#a11004970 > > > > You are right, we were all agreeing on that. But that should be > formalized > with a vote. Isn't it? > > Also, a vote the ant-dev mailing list will be required. > > But I'm not sure in which order we should make those votes... I propose > > 1. Vote here on destination after graduation > 2. Ask for a vote on the ant-dev mailing list (if vote 1. result is as > expected) > 3. Fire the vote here to decide if we are ready to graduate (if the result > of vote 2. is as expected, and depending on the outcomes of this > discussion) > 4. If ok, ask the vote on the incubator list.
The graduation guide for subproject graduation recommend something like this: 1. community vote, in which the community can agree both on being ready for graduation and on the destination 2. vote in the destination TLP PMC (in our case Ant PMC) 3. vote in the incubator general list to approve the sign off of the podling IMHO 3 votes is enough :-) Xavier > > > -Wouldn't it be better to wait until an incubating release (better than > > > alpha-2) is complete? The beta-1 release has been delayed for some > time > > > now > > > > > > I personnally don't think so. Graduation is not about code quality or > > release quality. We have demonstrated we are able to make releases. > Being > > late on a release is a problem we frequently encounter in an open source > > project. Committers sometime have less time than expected to work on a > > release, but I don't think it's too much a problem, the community is > still > > there, answering questions, and developing the upcoming version. And I > > would > > really prefer to make the 2.0 final version as a graduated project. > > > > I have the same understanding. > > > > Gilles > > > -- Xavier Hanin - Independent Java Consultant http://xhab.blogspot.com/ http://incubator.apache.org/ivy/ http://www.xoocode.org/
