I would be surprised if any J2ME phones were ones people were attached to - its more like grudging acceptance. Even blackberry kind of did their own thing.
I think the most common response is Joe's flinging his razor into orbit ;) On Jul 2, 1:14 am, Joshua Marinacci <jos...@gmail.com> wrote: > This is incorrect. There are over a billion installations of Java on > cellphones. Google has made J2ME based clients before Android and > continues to do so. If you want to hit more than 5% of the market you > have to use Java. > > On Jul 1, 2009, at 5:24 AM, Casper Bang wrote: > > > > > I'm surprised I haven't heard Dick complain about Google Earth, Picasa > > etc. not being written to run on the JVM. It's particular interesting > > that for these popular applications, Google actually prefers to pour > > money into Wine rather than implement in Java. And on the mobile, Java > > was never as popular (forget Gosling/Schwartz gazillion evangelism) as > > now with Android. > > > In other words, something must be wrong with the JVM as soon as we are > > out of a server context. In that perspective, why should users and > > developers care about not having a genuine JVM in the middle of their > > Oreo? > > > /Casper > > > On 1 Jul., 05:19, Michael Neale <michael.ne...@gmail.com> wrote: > >> In ep 262 (the one where Dick's BS detector when crazy) - I got the > >> impression that Dick was asserting that Google are being evil (for a > >> few reasons, such as ignoring the community, not giving enough back > >> etc) - Joe called it business. > > >> I have no affiliation with Google, and its kind of wierd that I feel > >> obliged to defend something that doesn't need my help (!) - but I > >> thought it was a bit unfair. > > >> On the contribution side, Google are one of the largest contributors > >> to open source (some have said they are not the largest by some > >> measures) - now that a lot of open source free for all at Sun may > >> stop > >> under Oracle (at least where it makes commercial sense to stop), > >> Google is even more important for open source as a whole (not just > >> Java open source) so they should be encouraged. They contribute to > >> lots of projects, they originate some excellent ones, they > >> increasingly want to open things (like wave) where it makes sense. > >> And > >> on top of that, they provide lots of support and hosting of events > >> (and they ALWAYS cater wonderfully) - if there is a Google office in > >> your sydney - they probably would love to help out your community. > >> They also provide gainful employment to Sun refugees to allow them to > >> continue their great work ;) > > >> On the community side: yes I pick up there is a bit of aloofness- but > >> there is no ill intent, its just that there are individuals in the > >> communities that happen to be employed by google. Also, and there is > >> no nice way to say this, but in a popular language/platform as java, > >> the community does tend to be more "average" - this can "cramp their > >> style" so to speak - eg Andoid is what JME could/should have been, > >> and > >> so on... Design by committee isn't great for innovation in general. > > >> What I can assume was the real beef, is the slipping away from the > >> one > >> true vision of the "write once run anywhere" vision of Java, and > >> using > >> the JVM everywhere to achieve that. And I guess that is a problem, I > >> don't know if its a good or bad thing. It is what it is. In the java > >> community, I think there has been a lot of mediocrity tolerated in > >> order to get the lowest common denominator for portability. And > >> despite what people say, portability is excellent now, and has been > >> for a long long time. I think the tech community doesn't remember the > >> bad old days of platforms that had nothing in common and it wasn't > >> easy to migrate. But some people are tired of this mediocrity, and > >> just want to get cool things done - and I guess compromises are being > >> made. --~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "The Java Posse" group. To post to this group, send email to javaposse@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to javaposse+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/javaposse?hl=en -~----------~----~----~----~------~----~------~--~---
