Die or be killed?
I'm just saying.... On Jul 26, 7:48 pm, Steven Herod <steven.he...@gmail.com> wrote: > Just a point. From a look around the mainframe development team, > there is a strong probability of that the COBOL programmers will die > prior to the language. > > On Jul 26, 11:10 am, Reinier Zwitserloot <reini...@gmail.com> wrote: > > > > > I was NOT suggesting that the various other languages you mentioned > > aren't worth investigating. I was only suggesting that their mere > > existence does not mean java should stop evolving. I was also > > attempting to insinuate that Scala/Groovy/etc fanboys saying that java > > should stop getting new features need to stuff a sock in it. It's > > annoying. Shut up. > > > On Jul 25, 4:34 am, Josh Suereth <joshua.suer...@gmail.com> wrote: > > > > Actually it was called the Scala LiftOff <http://www.scalaliftoff.com>. > > > > There comes a point where no matter how much momentum you try to gather > > > on a > > > language, it has slowed progress to the point where breakthrough change > > > occurs elsewhere. I love java. It's provided me with a living. However > > > I > > > don't see anyway to change it to keep it competitive with newer languages > > > *in all the spaces it's used currently*. We still use C++. C is still > > > used as well. Until things like > > > Singularity<http://arstechnica.com/software/news/2008/03/singularity-microsofts-r...>(an > > > OS that doesn't quite use C) become more commonplace, I see C/C++ > > > sticking around for a while in the areas iin which C/C++ is well suited. > > > > Java should still evolve, but its use may become more limited in scope > > > like > > > C++. I think the writing is on the wall, but it's not a bad thing for > > > Java > > > programmers, nor should the language stop evolving. However Java has > > > already solidified into a language for the most part, and certain changes > > > are just not feasible given its community/constraints. JavaFX > > > Script/Groovy/Scala/Clojure/JRuby, they all show that the JVM is a big > > > playland for languages. Java doesn't have to stay king for the JVM to > > > succeed. > > > > I definitely think these new languages (especially Scala) have shown that > > > Java may not stick around as *the* general purpose language on the JVM. > > > JavaFX Script really shows of some powerful features for UI development, > > > and > > > will in all likelyhood push Java (and maybe others) out of that space. > > > Scala is showing lots of promise for general-purpose / server development. > > > It has a lot of the niceties that place Java above others currently, but > > > with many more features. Groovy is taking steam from java in the > > > Web-Development front. Grails is a very nice web-framework built on solid > > > java technology. Groovy also has other areas it could start encroaching > > > from java. Hopefully you see the trend, but it continues with the other > > > languages. > > > > Anyway, if it's not Scala, then something like it will start to push scala > > > out of the general purpose/server development front. > > > > - Josh > > > > On Fri, Jul 24, 2009 at 9:44 PM, Augusto <augusto.sellh...@gmail.com> > > > wrote: > > > > > What, you missed the highly popular ScalaOne in San Francisco? Where > > > > have you been man? > > > > > On Jul 24, 7:01 pm, Reinier Zwitserloot <reini...@gmail.com> wrote: > > > > > I think your scala hobbying is leaking through a bit too much, Dick. > > > > > > Okay, scala might be an interesting take on a future java. In what > > > > > possible universe does this mean 'let's just leave java as is and do > > > > > no more work on it' is the appropriate thing to do? You yourself > > > > > compared java to C++ which is still adding major new features, and > > > > > it's got a loooong headstart on java. --~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "The Java Posse" group. To post to this group, send email to javaposse@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to javaposse+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/javaposse?hl=en -~----------~----~----~----~------~----~------~--~---
