I think you are correct that Apple doesn't think much of Java UIs. All the mac-heads I know despise Java (and Air) UIs. The point out that non-native UIs are noticeably slower, don't support native OS X widgets (like the slide out drawer), and don't conform to OS X conventions (like cmd-, for prefs).
Java 7 will be a good test. If they don't port quickly, then we'll know what's up. Can we run the dev version of Java 7 on mac yet? On May 3, 3:33 pm, Casper Bang <casper.b...@gmail.com> wrote: > Ohh no I invoked Reinier's wrath. I won't go deeper into it except to > paraphrase Steve Jobs from a few weeks ago: “We’ve been there before, > and intermediate layers between the platform and the developer > ultimately produces sub-standard apps and hinders the progress of the > platform.” > > I am aware of soylatte, but it should be blatantly obvious what Steve > Jobs feels about Java and how he probably would not shy away from > blocking it. After all, only Apple engineers are able to take > advantage of the closed platform, most noticeably the UI. > > /Casper > > On May 3, 4:17 pm, Reinier Zwitserloot <reini...@gmail.com> wrote: > > > > > > > Casper, for the fiftheenth bloody time, STOP FUDDING about java on > > macs. > > >http://landonf.bikemonkey.org/static/soylatte/ > > > OpenJDK for the win. > > > Pro-Apple bias amongst geeks is rooted due to the fact that as far as > > notebooks are concerned, apple's hardware is fit for a programmer > > whereas your average notebook / desktop PC that doesn't host a shiny > > apple logo on it is a piece of crap. It's hard to take a standpoint > > against a supplier of something no one else supplies. If it had been > > related to 'alternative to microsoft', we'd have seen similar bias > > towards linux and solaris but that's not really panning out, hence > > your theory does not seem to hold water. > > > On May 3, 11:29 am, Casper Bang <casper.b...@gmail.com> wrote: > > > > In this particular context, I think the bias is rooted in your foe's > > > enemy being your friend. For the longest time Apple was the escape pod > > > that hardcore Java developers took from the evil empire's mother ship. > > > However, these recent events are really just a predictable further > > > escalation, considering Java on a Mac is typically 1½-2 years behind > > > other platform releases. It should come as no surprise then, when > > > Apple undoubtedly drops all support for client Java within the not-too- > > > distant future invoking all too familiar arguments. I do feel that > > > several of the posse members took a far more healthy and critical > > > outlook on Apple over the past year though, lead by our posse editor > > > in chief. > > > > /Casper > > > > On May 3, 10:45 am, Liam Knox <liamjk...@gmail.com> wrote: > > > > > Should I just say Apple is purely after a monopoly i.e. the cash, > > > > unlike Joe's stated reasons ? > > > > Does that make it clearer > > > > > On May 3, 5:06 pm, Kerry Sainsbury <ke...@fidelma.com> wrote: > > > > > > On Mon, May 3, 2010 at 3:25 PM, phil.swen...@gmail.com < > > > > > > phil.swen...@gmail.com> wrote: > > > > > > > To describe Apples doctorine on Flash or Java on their mobile > > > > > > > devices > > > > > > > as purely due to a want of consistent user experience is just > > > > > > > nonsense > > > > > > > > The clear reason.... > > > > > > > Not convincing! Calling something "nonsense" or "clear" doesn't > > > > > > make > > > > > > it so. Try forming a cogent argument next time. > > > > > > Well, Liam's next sentence was "You could equally diverge from their > > > > > perceived athletics using objective C of any of their mandated > > > > > technologies", which sounded reasonable to me -- apart from some > > > > > issues > > > > > with English. > > > > > > I believe he meant: > > > > > > "You could equally diverge from their perceived aesthetics using > > > > > Objective C > > > > > or any of their mandated technologies". > > > > > > Does that make it clearer? > > > > > > Why would the UI I create using Objective C be any better than the UI > > > > > I > > > > > would create using any other framework or language, if that framework > > > > > or > > > > > language calls the same UI layer that Objective C does? > > > > > > In fact I'm sure that some frameworks could actually enhance the UI > > > > > that I > > > > > would create, because I make AWFUL user interfaces. > > > > > > (sorry for jumping in Liam!) > > > > > > Cheers > > > > > Kerry > > > > > > -- > > > > > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google > > > > > Groups "The Java Posse" group. > > > > > To post to this group, send email to javapo...@googlegroups.com. > > > > > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > > > > > javaposse+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > > > > > For more options, visit this group > > > > > athttp://groups.google.com/group/javaposse?hl=en. > > > > > -- > > > > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google > > > > Groups "The Java Posse" group. > > > > To post to this group, send email to javapo...@googlegroups.com. > > > > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > > > > javaposse+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > > > > For more options, visit this group > > > > athttp://groups.google.com/group/javaposse?hl=en. > > > > -- > > > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > > > "The Java Posse" group. > > > To post to this group, send email to javapo...@googlegroups.com. > > > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > > > javaposse+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > > > For more options, visit this group > > > athttp://groups.google.com/group/javaposse?hl=en. > > > -- > > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > > "The Java Posse" group. > > To post to this group, send email to javapo...@googlegroups.com. > > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > > javaposse+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > > For more options, visit this group > > athttp://groups.google.com/group/javaposse?hl=en. > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "The Java Posse" group. > To post to this group, send email to javapo...@googlegroups.com. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > javaposse+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > For more options, visit this group > athttp://groups.google.com/group/javaposse?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "The Java Posse" group. 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