I believe the JavaPosse should devote about the same amount of time to
covering the iPhone as it does to covering other things with an
analogous impact to Java, e.g.:
* The latest Windows OS version / service pack
* The latest Internet Explorer version / service pack
* The latest .Net advancements
* Microsoft maneuvers designed to edge out cross-platform
development and lock in developers/users
* The latest hardware available for running Microsoft Windows
I'm no Windows fan (to say the least), but the iPhone is somewhat
analogous to these items in terms of Java coverage. Actually Windows
details are *much* more relevant to Java development than the iPhone --
as Java actually runs on Windows! I'd sum up the iPhone's relationship
to Java as follows:
1. In terms of all but web apps, it is an alternative and competing
development technology (Objective C), OS, and product offering
* In this regard it should be covered like .Net, Windows OS's,
hardware available for Windows, etc, in terms of coverage
2. In terms of web apps, it is another form-factor / variant of a
browser to consider
* In this regard it should be treated like Internet Explorer
in terms of coverage
3. In terms of the software market, it is a blatant attempt to lock
out and eliminate cross-platform development and lock developers
and users into their platform
* In this regard it should be treated like Microsoft's
anti-competitive machinations in terms of coverage
On all of these fronts there are grounds to /briefly/ cover the
state-of-the-art of Apple's hardware and software offerings, but at much
the same level as a Mac OS X specific podcast would cover the latest
Microsoft OS and non-Mac-hardware offerings, i.e. as a competing and
disparate platform with a browser that one can target with one's web apps.
Android on the other hand, while being a fork at the nuts-and-bolts VM
level leverages Java source code. In some ways Android is less of a
fork from Java than Java ME (e.g. Android supports recent Java language
features whereas ME does not). It fully deserves deep coverage as it is
actually something one can deploy Java software to (albeit after a
recompile).
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Jess Holle
On 6/15/2010 8:36 AM, Rakesh wrote:
The dilemma, as I see it, is that how can you talk about Apple
objectively when you have Joe - a self-confessed Apple groupie - who
will defend Apple to the hilt? You can't unfortunately, hence the
awkward moments a bit like watching your parents argue.
I did feel it was unnecessary to talk about WWDC on the podcast. It
almost felt a bit like 'Joe's Corner' sub-podcast.
Truly, who didn't already know the details about the new iPhone?
If you wanted to know about Apple, there are better, more objective
podcasts, to find out the details and get a proper analysis. (Buzz Out
Loud, Guardian Tech Weekly, etc).
I realise not mentioning Apple at all is unlikely, but I think there
is a limit to how much analysis can happen on the podcast. More and
more, its crossing that line where its too much because it can't be
discussed objectively.
I'm still listening but if I come across a podcast that makes it about
Java and its eco-system, I'm sorry to say I'll leave the JavaPosse
behind too.
Rakesh
On Tue, Jun 15, 2010 at 12:17 PM, Kerry Sainsbury<ke...@fidelma.com> wrote:
Of course no-one is forced to listen to the podcast.. Richard, I think, was
just trying to leave some subtle, like a sledgehammer, feedback about why he
wasn't going to listen any more. In a twisted way that's actually quite
constructive.
That said, I'm sure the Posse are more interested in four friends having fun
rather than catering to a particular audience -- much as Richard does in his
own podcast (I'm quite sure Richard doesn't give a rat's arse about his
audience!)
Cheers
Kerry
On Tue, Jun 15, 2010 at 7:58 PM, Carl Jokl<carl.j...@gmail.com> wrote:
I might mention that the members of the Java Posse create the podcast
in their own free time and are not doing it to officially represent
any organisation or necessarily have any financial gain from running
the podcast.
That being the case isn't it the prerogative of the Java Posse to
chose what they choose to use the time speaking about. It is their
time after all, which they are not being paid for. No-one is forced to
listen to the Podcast.
I certainly would have a hard time finding time to run a podcast and
even if I did doubt people would want to take time out of their day to
listen to me ramble on about Java and things.
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