I don't think not knowing a specific framework you are using means anyone is a "junior developer"
There are only about 294307030 different java frameworks to choose from. Hire smart people who can cite some good coding principles. Anyone decent can learn your framework choices. BTW, if you are using struts 1, anyone worth their salt would avoid the job like the plague :) On Thu, Aug 25, 2011 at 9:20 AM, Steel City Phantom <scpha...@gmail.com> wrote: > I work out of Pittsburgh. we have two world class universities about a half > hour down the road. Carnegie Mellon University's computer science > department is one of the best in the world, and University of Pittsburgh > isn't shabby either. so i have to ask, where are all the good java > developers? > we have been trying to staff out a project for 6 weeks now. every resume we > get is from people with 4-5 years experience. I do tech interviews on them > for the technologies we are using and its all the same, they have a vague > understanding of how to use the technologies (spring, hibernate, struts, > nothing major) work, but for my needs, that puts them in the class of jr > developer. i need senior guys that have done this already, lived the > learning curve, knows how to fix issues, knows how to squeeze every last bit > of functionality out of these technologies, and i can't find them. > we are paying good market rates for these guys, so its not like we are being > cheap. i refuse to believe that Google swallowed all the good java guys > when they opened their development center here in Pittsburgh a few years > ago. > its so bad that i had one candidate that i interviewed a few weeks ago. he > got irritated with me when i was drilling him on the technology. his > actually had the huevos to say to me "I have a masters degree from CMU in > computer science, i don't care what technology you are using, i can figure > it out and use it" to which i replied "that may be true, but that makes you > a junior developer in my eyes. as a senior developer, im not paying you to > figure it out, im paying you to step in and do it" he had 4 years > experience writing web pages for a marketing firm. why the recruiter even > thought he would pass the test is still beyond me. > where have all the good guys gone? is a 9-10 year experienced very seasoned > java guy really demanding salaries north of 90K now or what? > > -- > You want it fast, cheap, or right. Pick two!! > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "The Java Posse" group. > To post to this group, send email to javaposse@googlegroups.com. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > javaposse+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/javaposse?hl=en. > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "The Java Posse" group. To post to this group, send email to javaposse@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to javaposse+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/javaposse?hl=en.
