On 25 August 2011 21:00, Steel City Phantom <scpha...@gmail.com> wrote:
> have really good programmers gotten so vain that good money isn't enough > but the project must also be interesting? > > Vain? No Perhaps "jaded" would be a better choice of adjective > > On Thu, Aug 25, 2011 at 3:17 PM, phil swenson <phil.swen...@gmail.com>wrote: > >> I don't think not knowing a specific framework you are using means >> anyone is a "junior developer" >> >> There are only about 294307030 different java frameworks to choose >> from. Hire smart people who can cite some good coding principles. >> Anyone decent can learn your framework choices. >> >> BTW, if you are using struts 1, anyone worth their salt would avoid >> the job like the plague :) >> >> >> >> On Thu, Aug 25, 2011 at 9:20 AM, Steel City Phantom <scpha...@gmail.com> >> wrote: >> > I work out of Pittsburgh. we have two world class universities about a >> half >> > hour down the road. Carnegie Mellon University's computer science >> > department is one of the best in the world, and University of Pittsburgh >> > isn't shabby either. so i have to ask, where are all the good java >> > developers? >> > we have been trying to staff out a project for 6 weeks now. every >> resume we >> > get is from people with 4-5 years experience. I do tech interviews on >> them >> > for the technologies we are using and its all the same, they have a >> vague >> > understanding of how to use the technologies (spring, hibernate, struts, >> > nothing major) work, but for my needs, that puts them in the class of jr >> > developer. i need senior guys that have done this already, lived the >> > learning curve, knows how to fix issues, knows how to squeeze every last >> bit >> > of functionality out of these technologies, and i can't find them. >> > we are paying good market rates for these guys, so its not like we are >> being >> > cheap. i refuse to believe that Google swallowed all the good java guys >> > when they opened their development center here in Pittsburgh a few years >> > ago. >> > its so bad that i had one candidate that i interviewed a few weeks ago. >> he >> > got irritated with me when i was drilling him on the technology. his >> > actually had the huevos to say to me "I have a masters degree from CMU >> in >> > computer science, i don't care what technology you are using, i can >> figure >> > it out and use it" to which i replied "that may be true, but that makes >> you >> > a junior developer in my eyes. as a senior developer, im not paying you >> to >> > figure it out, im paying you to step in and do it" he had 4 years >> > experience writing web pages for a marketing firm. why the recruiter >> even >> > thought he would pass the test is still beyond me. >> > where have all the good guys gone? is a 9-10 year experienced very >> seasoned >> > java guy really demanding salaries north of 90K now or what? >> > >> > -- >> > You want it fast, cheap, or right. Pick two!! >> > >> > -- >> > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >> Groups >> > "The Java Posse" group. >> > To post to this group, send email to javaposse@googlegroups.com. >> > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >> > javaposse+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >> > For more options, visit this group at >> > http://groups.google.com/group/javaposse?hl=en. >> > >> >> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >> "The Java Posse" group. >> To post to this group, send email to javaposse@googlegroups.com. >> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >> javaposse+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >> For more options, visit this group at >> http://groups.google.com/group/javaposse?hl=en. >> >> > > > -- > You want it fast, cheap, or right. Pick two!! > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "The Java Posse" group. > To post to this group, send email to javaposse@googlegroups.com. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > javaposse+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/javaposse?hl=en. > -- Kevin Wright mail: kevin.wri...@scalatechnology.com gtalk / msn : kev.lee.wri...@gmail.com quora: http://www.quora.com/Kevin-Wright google+: http://gplus.to/thecoda <kev.lee.wri...@gmail.com> twitter: @thecoda vibe / skype: kev.lee.wright steam: kev_lee_wright "My point today is that, if we wish to count lines of code, we should not regard them as "lines produced" but as "lines spent": the current conventional wisdom is so foolish as to book that count on the wrong side of the ledger" ~ Dijkstra -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "The Java Posse" group. To post to this group, send email to javaposse@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to javaposse+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/javaposse?hl=en.
