Prio to the development of VoiceOver, Apple took no steps towards making
their computers accessible. Rather, they relied on third party developers
to write programs for accessibility. This is similar to how Microsoft has
interfaced with screen reader developers. However, Microsoft and
companies like Freedom Scientific and GW Micro have tended to work more
closely together than Apple and the previous developers of screen readers
for Apple computers.
When the last of these third party developers announced that it would no
longer be developing or upgrading its screen reading program, Apple needed
to address the void that would be created. It needed to do so, because of
increasing criticism of its hands off policy and because it needed to have
its products accessible to meet contracting requirements for many
governemental entities. At least in part, that is why Apple undertook
development of VoiceOver.
Before the development of VoiceOver, Apple wanted to attract those who
used Windows to its Ipod products. That is why it developed both a Mac
version and eventually a Windows version. Again there were many motives,
but much had to do with the economics of the music industry.
By reverting to form, in this instance, I suggest that with respect othe
Windows version of Itunes, apple is seeking to force the screen reader
developers to play ball their way rather than building a program/site that
conforms readily to Windows standard controls and structures. Why they
are doing this, I don't have a clue.
I think that if you'd like to continue this discussion, we've reached the
point where it should go off list
I thank the moderators indulgence to this point.
-----Original Message-----
From: jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com
[mailto:jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com] On Behalf Of Sarah anson
Sent: Wednesday, September 16, 2009 2:55 PM
To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] iTunes 9.0 and JAWS
Hmmm. Enteresting...So what do you mean by
reversion to form windows? Tey are trying to make itunes 9.0 look more
like
a windows program?
And by apple giving stuff to third party, you mean someone else designes
he
programs and then apple puts there name on them?
Sarah A.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Blackwell, Clifford" <cblackw...@cityofmadison.com>
To: <jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com>
Sent: Wednesday, September 16, 2009 1:35 PM
Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] iTunes 9.0 and JAWS
> The basic operating systems are very different. To program for
> accessibility in one environment does not mean that it will be
> programmed
> correctly for another.
>
> Apple, it seems to me, has a history of pushing development of
> solutions
> to third parties. VoiceOver is a departure from this approach, but it
> feels as if their approach to the changes in Itunes 9 is a reversion to
> form for Windows based programs.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com
> [mailto:jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com] On Behalf Of Sarah
> anson
> Sent: Wednesday, September 16, 2009 1:31 PM
> To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
> Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] iTunes 9.0 and JAWS
>
> Well, then how come it works on the mac. Don't you I mean they have to
> program voiceover. How can something work with one screen reader and
> not
> another?
> Sarah A
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Blackwell, Clifford" <cblackw...@cityofmadison.com>
> To: <jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com>
> Sent: Wednesday, September 16, 2009 9:14 AM
> Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] iTunes 9.0 and JAWS
>
>
>> It is also the fault of the programmers who do not write cstandard
>> code
>> that can be accessed by screen readers.
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com
>> [mailto:jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com] On Behalf Of tim
>> Sent: Tuesday, September 15, 2009 5:18 PM
>> To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
>> Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] iTunes 9.0 and JAWS
>>
>> It is accessible using a mac with voice over, but on windows with
>> wineyes or jaws expect some parts not to be accessible. That is the
>> fault of the screen readers and what they support.
>>
>> At 06:17 PM 9/14/2009, you wrote:
>>>Hi,
>>>I have another question about itunes.
>>>If I uninstall it to go back to itunes 8, won't it remove my itunes
>>>folder where all my music is at?
>>>Also, all over the apple website, it is claiming that itunes 9.0 is
>>>fully accessibale. They say to use window eyes that is not much
>>>different from Jaws.
>>>So, if apple is claiming it's accessible then how come the itunes
>>>store isn't accessible. I mean they are saying on there website that
>>>the store is easier designed for the visually impaired. Is it just
>>>that we don't know how to use the store?
>>>I mean if they are claiming itunes 9 is accessible then it should
>>>be. I really don't wanna switch back unless I have to.
>>>Sarah A.
>>>
>>>----- Original Message ----- From: "Michael Hansen" <amt...@gmail.com>
>>>To: <jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com>
>>>Sent: Saturday, September 12, 2009 11:12 PM
>>>Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] iTunes 9.0 and JAWS
>>>
>>>
>>>>Go into your iTunes folder and copy the "iTunes Library.itl" file to
>>>>your
>>>>clipboard and put it somewhere. Then when you do manage to get the
>>>>older
>>>>iTunes installed, paste it over the existing iTunesLibrary.itl file
>>>>it
>>>>will
>>>>create...unless your library is already there in iTunes first.
>>>>
>>>>-----Original Message-----
>>>>From: jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com
>>>>[mailto:jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com] On Behalf Of Sarah
>>>>anson
>>>>Sent: Saturday, September 12, 2009 10:45 PM
>>>>To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
>>>>Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] iTunes 9.0 and JAWS
>>>>
>>>>I am not sure if you can copy and paste. If you were using the
>>>>version
>>>>that
>>>>was released before 9.0 then it would take you like maybe five mins
>>>>to
>>>>sign
>>>>up.
>>>>How do I go back to the previous version of itunes. If I uninstall
>>>>itunes
>>>>and reinstall old version, won't that delete my library?
>>>>Sarah A.
>>>>
>>>>----- Original Message ----- From: "Donald Marang"
>>>><donald.mar...@gmail.com>
>>>>To: <jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com>
>>>>Sent: Saturday, September 12, 2009 1:44 PM
>>>>Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] iTunes 9.0 and JAWS
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>I installed iTunes 9 yesterday. I am not familiar with the iTunes
>>>>>layout
>>>>>and operation yet. It seems fairly complicated. I was having
>>>>>trouble
>>>>>using iTunes 9 and saw others were having difficulty too. So I
>>>>>decided
>>>>>to
>>>>>revert to a version known to work. At least until I learned how to
>>>>>get
>>>>>around in iTunes. With a little searching, I found the following
>>>>>official
>>>>>Apple download link for iTunes 8.2.1:
>>>>>http://support.apple.com/kb/DL928
>>>>>
>>>>>It took me 3 hours to sign up for an iTunes account, even with
>>>>>version
>>>>>9!
>>>>>What is the deal with edit boxes and combo boxes in iTunes? Is copy
>>>>>and
>>>>>paste illegal?
>>>>>
>>>>>Don Marang
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>----- Original Message ----- From: "Michael Hansen"
>>>>><amt...@gmail.com>
>>>>>To: <jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com>
>>>>>Sent: Saturday, September 12, 2009 8:20 AM
>>>>>Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] iTunes 9.0 and JAWS
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>I have a friend who was able to make her way around iTunes pretty
>>>>>>well
>>>>>>with
>>>>>>JAWS 8. But Kim, do not download the latest version of iTunes,
>>>>>>especially
>>>>>>if you have an older JAWS. I would try looking for an iTunes
>>>>>>version
>>>>>>8
>>>>>>from
>>>>>>a website like www.oldversion.com
>>>>>>
>>>>>>-----Original Message-----
>>>>>>From: jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com
>>>>>>[mailto:jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com] On Behalf Of Holger
>>>>>>Fiallo
>>>>>>Sent: Saturday, September 12, 2009 3:57 AM
>>>>>>To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
>>>>>>Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] iTunes 9.0 and JAWS
>>>>>>
>>>>>>go to apple.com and go to iTune and download. Regarding jaws do not
>>>>>>know.
>>>>>>probably.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Kind Regard
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Holger Fiallo
>>>>>>
>>>>>>----- Original Message ----- From: "kim kelly"
>>>>>><kim...@clearwire.net>
>>>>>>To: <jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com>
>>>>>>Sent: Saturday, September 12, 2009 3:29 AM
>>>>>>Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] iTunes 9.0 and JAWS
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Can I. tunes be used with older versions of Jaws?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>And how is it used and also downloaded.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>If some one can let me know i would appreciate it.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Kim Kelly
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>----- Original Message ----- From: "Sarah anson"
>>>>>>><beccaj...@tconl.com>
>>>>>>>To: <jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com>
>>>>>>>Sent: Friday, September 11, 2009 10:42 PM
>>>>>>>Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] iTunes 9.0 and JAWS
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>Hi,
>>>>>>>>I installed the update! I do not like it. You can buy stuff from
>>>>>>>>the
>>>>>>>>store, but it is kinda complicated, and I can't figure out how to
>>>>>>>>listen
>>>>>>>>to the songs. Like, to preview them.
>>>>>>>>You go to the itunes store and then in the search box, type
>>>>>>>>something
>>>>>>>>like "Boys like girls." If you know the name of the song like
>>>>>>>>"She's
>>>>>>>>got
>>>>>>>>a boyfriend now." Type in "boys like girls she's got a boyfriend
>>>>>>>>now."
>>>>>>>>If
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>you know the name of the album type the album name "Love Drunk"
>>>>>>>>for
>>>>>>>>example or the artist and album "Boys like girls love drunk."
>>>>>>>>Then press enter. Next tab till you hear the album you want.
>>>>>>>>Press
>>>>>>>>enter.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>hen it will say something like View full album. Press enter then
>>>>>>>>ctrl+end
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>to go to the end of the screen. Press tab and you should hear it
>>>>>>>>say
>>>>>>>>"buy
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>love drunk." For example and then tab again it it will say "Buy
>>>>>>>>Two
>>>>>>>>is
>>>>>>>>better than one featuring Taylor Swift." and I am assuming then
>>>>>>>>you
>>>>>>>>press
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>enter on the song you wanna buy. It sould take you through the
>>>>>>>>whole
>>>>>>>>album.
>>>>>>>>If I can figure out more, I will let you know. And, I was just
>>>>>>>>using
>>>>>>>>that
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>artist/album as an example on how to use the itunes store.
>>>>>>>>Sarah A.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>----- Original Message ----- From: "Michael Hansen"
>>>>>>>><amt...@gmail.com>
>>>>>>>>To: <jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com>
>>>>>>>>Sent: Friday, September 11, 2009 7:52 PM
>>>>>>>>Subject: [JAWS-Users] iTunes 9.0 and JAWS
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>Hi everyone,
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>I believe on Tuesday or sometime this week Apple released a new
>>>>>>>>>version
>>>>>>>>>of
>>>>>>>>>iTunes, iTunes 9. Has anyone downloaded this and had any
>>>>>>>>>success,
>>>>>>>>>particularly in the iTunes Store? I did update and now I'm
>>>>>>>>>trying
>>>>>>>>>to
>>>>>>>>>figure
>>>>>>>>>out how to use the thing.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>Thanks,
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>Michael
>>>>>>>>>
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