I tried the system access. It seems to be working exactly the same as jaws
when I am browsing the itunes store.
It won't let me mouseover a song, so I don't know how you're supposed to be
previewing it.
It is probably me it just seems that the itunes is workign the same as it
was in jaws. It's not reading link link link over and over towards the
beginning of the page, but other then that it's about the same. Maybe i'm
doing or have something set wrong.
Also, I know this is unjaws related, but where'd the put the free on itunes
page?
thanks,
sarah A.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Blackwell, Clifford" <cblackw...@cityofmadison.com>
To: <jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com>
Sent: Wednesday, September 16, 2009 3:08 PM
Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] iTunes 9.0 and JAWS
Prio to the development of VoiceOver, Apple took no steps towards making
their computers accessible. Rather, they relied on third party developers
to write programs for accessibility. This is similar to how Microsoft has
interfaced with screen reader developers. However, Microsoft and
companies like Freedom Scientific and GW Micro have tended to work more
closely together than Apple and the previous developers of screen readers
for Apple computers.
When the last of these third party developers announced that it would no
longer be developing or upgrading its screen reading program, Apple needed
to address the void that would be created. It needed to do so, because of
increasing criticism of its hands off policy and because it needed to have
its products accessible to meet contracting requirements for many
governemental entities. At least in part, that is why Apple undertook
development of VoiceOver.
Before the development of VoiceOver, Apple wanted to attract those who
used Windows to its Ipod products. That is why it developed both a Mac
version and eventually a Windows version. Again there were many motives,
but much had to do with the economics of the music industry.
By reverting to form, in this instance, I suggest that with respect othe
Windows version of Itunes, apple is seeking to force the screen reader
developers to play ball their way rather than building a program/site that
conforms readily to Windows standard controls and structures. Why they
are doing this, I don't have a clue.
I think that if you'd like to continue this discussion, we've reached the
point where it should go off list
I thank the moderators indulgence to this point.
-----Original Message-----
From: jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com
[mailto:jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com] On Behalf Of Sarah anson
Sent: Wednesday, September 16, 2009 2:55 PM
To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] iTunes 9.0 and JAWS
Hmmm. Enteresting...So what do you mean by
reversion to form windows? Tey are trying to make itunes 9.0 look more
like
a windows program?
And by apple giving stuff to third party, you mean someone else designes
he
programs and then apple puts there name on them?
Sarah A.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Blackwell, Clifford" <cblackw...@cityofmadison.com>
To: <jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com>
Sent: Wednesday, September 16, 2009 1:35 PM
Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] iTunes 9.0 and JAWS
The basic operating systems are very different. To program for
accessibility in one environment does not mean that it will be programmed
correctly for another.
Apple, it seems to me, has a history of pushing development of solutions
to third parties. VoiceOver is a departure from this approach, but it
feels as if their approach to the changes in Itunes 9 is a reversion to
form for Windows based programs.
-----Original Message-----
From: jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com
[mailto:jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com] On Behalf Of Sarah anson
Sent: Wednesday, September 16, 2009 1:31 PM
To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] iTunes 9.0 and JAWS
Well, then how come it works on the mac. Don't you I mean they have to
program voiceover. How can something work with one screen reader and not
another?
Sarah A
----- Original Message -----
From: "Blackwell, Clifford" <cblackw...@cityofmadison.com>
To: <jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com>
Sent: Wednesday, September 16, 2009 9:14 AM
Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] iTunes 9.0 and JAWS
It is also the fault of the programmers who do not write cstandard code
that can be accessed by screen readers.
-----Original Message-----
From: jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com
[mailto:jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com] On Behalf Of tim
Sent: Tuesday, September 15, 2009 5:18 PM
To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] iTunes 9.0 and JAWS
It is accessible using a mac with voice over, but on windows with
wineyes or jaws expect some parts not to be accessible. That is the
fault of the screen readers and what they support.
At 06:17 PM 9/14/2009, you wrote:
Hi,
I have another question about itunes.
If I uninstall it to go back to itunes 8, won't it remove my itunes
folder where all my music is at?
Also, all over the apple website, it is claiming that itunes 9.0 is
fully accessibale. They say to use window eyes that is not much
different from Jaws.
So, if apple is claiming it's accessible then how come the itunes
store isn't accessible. I mean they are saying on there website that
the store is easier designed for the visually impaired. Is it just
that we don't know how to use the store?
I mean if they are claiming itunes 9 is accessible then it should
be. I really don't wanna switch back unless I have to.
Sarah A.
----- Original Message ----- From: "Michael Hansen" <amt...@gmail.com>
To: <jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com>
Sent: Saturday, September 12, 2009 11:12 PM
Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] iTunes 9.0 and JAWS
Go into your iTunes folder and copy the "iTunes Library.itl" file to
your
clipboard and put it somewhere. Then when you do manage to get the
older
iTunes installed, paste it over the existing iTunesLibrary.itl file it
will
create...unless your library is already there in iTunes first.
-----Original Message-----
From: jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com
[mailto:jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com] On Behalf Of Sarah
anson
Sent: Saturday, September 12, 2009 10:45 PM
To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] iTunes 9.0 and JAWS
I am not sure if you can copy and paste. If you were using the version
that
was released before 9.0 then it would take you like maybe five mins to
sign
up.
How do I go back to the previous version of itunes. If I uninstall
itunes
and reinstall old version, won't that delete my library?
Sarah A.
----- Original Message ----- From: "Donald Marang"
<donald.mar...@gmail.com>
To: <jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com>
Sent: Saturday, September 12, 2009 1:44 PM
Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] iTunes 9.0 and JAWS
I installed iTunes 9 yesterday. I am not familiar with the iTunes
layout
and operation yet. It seems fairly complicated. I was having trouble
using iTunes 9 and saw others were having difficulty too. So I
decided
to
revert to a version known to work. At least until I learned how to
get
around in iTunes. With a little searching, I found the following
official
Apple download link for iTunes 8.2.1:
http://support.apple.com/kb/DL928
It took me 3 hours to sign up for an iTunes account, even with version
9!
What is the deal with edit boxes and combo boxes in iTunes? Is copy
and
paste illegal?
Don Marang
----- Original Message ----- From: "Michael Hansen" <amt...@gmail.com>
To: <jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com>
Sent: Saturday, September 12, 2009 8:20 AM
Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] iTunes 9.0 and JAWS
I have a friend who was able to make her way around iTunes pretty
well
with
JAWS 8. But Kim, do not download the latest version of iTunes,
especially
if you have an older JAWS. I would try looking for an iTunes version
8
from
a website like www.oldversion.com
-----Original Message-----
From: jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com
[mailto:jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com] On Behalf Of Holger
Fiallo
Sent: Saturday, September 12, 2009 3:57 AM
To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] iTunes 9.0 and JAWS
go to apple.com and go to iTune and download. Regarding jaws do not
know.
probably.
Kind Regard
Holger Fiallo
----- Original Message ----- From: "kim kelly" <kim...@clearwire.net>
To: <jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com>
Sent: Saturday, September 12, 2009 3:29 AM
Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] iTunes 9.0 and JAWS
Can I. tunes be used with older versions of Jaws?
And how is it used and also downloaded.
If some one can let me know i would appreciate it.
Kim Kelly
----- Original Message ----- From: "Sarah anson"
<beccaj...@tconl.com>
To: <jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com>
Sent: Friday, September 11, 2009 10:42 PM
Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] iTunes 9.0 and JAWS
Hi,
I installed the update! I do not like it. You can buy stuff from
the
store, but it is kinda complicated, and I can't figure out how to
listen
to the songs. Like, to preview them.
You go to the itunes store and then in the search box, type
something
like "Boys like girls." If you know the name of the song like
"She's
got
a boyfriend now." Type in "boys like girls she's got a boyfriend
now."
If
you know the name of the album type the album name "Love Drunk" for
example or the artist and album "Boys like girls love drunk."
Then press enter. Next tab till you hear the album you want. Press
enter.
hen it will say something like View full album. Press enter then
ctrl+end
to go to the end of the screen. Press tab and you should hear it
say
"buy
love drunk." For example and then tab again it it will say "Buy Two
is
better than one featuring Taylor Swift." and I am assuming then you
press
enter on the song you wanna buy. It sould take you through the
whole
album.
If I can figure out more, I will let you know. And, I was just
using
that
artist/album as an example on how to use the itunes store.
Sarah A.
----- Original Message ----- From: "Michael Hansen"
<amt...@gmail.com>
To: <jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com>
Sent: Friday, September 11, 2009 7:52 PM
Subject: [JAWS-Users] iTunes 9.0 and JAWS
Hi everyone,
I believe on Tuesday or sometime this week Apple released a new
version
of
iTunes, iTunes 9. Has anyone downloaded this and had any success,
particularly in the iTunes Store? I did update and now I'm trying
to
figure
out how to use the thing.
Thanks,
Michael
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