Re: [JAWS-Users] Digital TV for PC2

Jo Luland Sun, 20 Sep 2009 14:44:26 -0700

Hi Don,
Thanks. Guess I'll just forget about this one.
Regards,
Jo

----- Original Message -----From: "Donald Marang" <donald.mar...@gmail.com>

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Sent: Sunday, September 20, 2009 4:07 PM
Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] Digital TV for PC2

Hi Jo,

Just after sending that reply, I read a little further. I read throughthe purchaseing instructions. It siunds like all they are selling isinformation on password secured site. The information is most likelynothing more than what you could dig up in an hour using Googke.


Don Marang

----- Original Message -----From: "Jo Luland" <jolul...@verizon.net>

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Sent: Saturday, September 19, 2009 6:04 PM
Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] Digital TV for PC2

Hi Don,

Thanks!!! I, too, thought it sounded too good to be true. I'll appreciatelearning about any further info regarding this program.

Regards,
Jo

----- Original Message -----From: "Donald Marang" <donald.mar...@gmail.com>

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Sent: Saturday, September 19, 2009 3:56 PM
Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] Digital TV for PC2

Hello Jo,

Doing a quick Google search I find it is another Internet TB softwaresolution. It claims that you can watch thousands of channels for a onetime fee of $46 anywhere in the world on your PC. I doubt that it wouldbe 100% accessible with JAWS. Most of these video applications are notaccessible.It seems that their main site is overseas at: (what countryis me)

www.digitaltvonpc.me

It sounds interesting, but be careful! The top two search results claimthat this is a scam! This type of capability sounds great! Perhaps toogreat. I tried a free solution called World TV, which was recommendedby a magazine once. I was not overly impressed. My sister in Arizonauses some type of ITV solution. She might still have JAWS around to tryit out. She has sight, butt her daughter is blind and she teachesBraille. I will ask her about it.


Don Marang

----- Original Message -----From: "Jo Luland" <jolul...@verizon.net>

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Sent: Saturday, September 19, 2009 11:14 AM
Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] Digital TV for PC2

Hi,

Has anyone heard of the program Digital TV for PC2? If so, How does itwork and is it compatible with JAWS 10? Thanks.

Jo

----- Original Message -----From: "Chris Hallsworth" <christopher...@googlemail.com>

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Sent: Saturday, September 19, 2009 4:18 AM
Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] iTunes 9.0 and JAWS

System Access is the commercial version of Serotek's screen reader.System

Access to Go is similar, however it's free to use and runs inside your

browser. The browser must be open for System Access to Go to operate.You

can try it now at www.satogo.com. Hope this helps.



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-----Original Message-----
From: jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com

[mailto:jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com] On Behalf Of Sarahanson

Sent: 19 September 2009 4:17 AM
To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] iTunes 9.0 and JAWS

what is the difference between system access and system access to go?
Sarah A.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Michael Hansen" <amt...@gmail.com>
To: <jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com>
Sent: Thursday, September 17, 2009 6:06 AM
Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] iTunes 9.0 and JAWS

Yes, in short, System Access (and System Access to Go) is the only
thing that works with iTunes right now.  I don't know what the SA
"mouse over" command is, but still...it works.  The format kind of
reminds me of AmazonMP3, which is fine.
Also, I don't know why the library won't read if it has been upgraded
previously--perhaps because the file contains "upgraded" data?

On 9/17/09, Sarah anson <beccaj...@tconl.com> wrote:

Hi,
Yes, I have tried that. Am using a laptop though. I think the
commands are the same cause I tried a moseover on a sample freedom
scientific page and it works fine. BAut, in itunes it doesn't.
8.2 is very easy. And, if you hit enter on a song it will play the
preview unlike version 9. 8.2 I had no probs with using jaws 10.
Sarah A.

----- Original Message -----
From: "Donald Marang" <donald.mar...@gmail.com>
To: <jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com>
Sent: Thursday, September 17, 2009 12:20 AM
Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] iTunes 9.0 and JAWS

I am just getting started with iTunes. Even version 8.2.1 seemshard
to get it to do what I want to do at this point.  I noticed that you
mention that you should be able to get a preview in the store by
performing a mouseover. When JAWS is focused on a song in thestore,
have you attempted

the "activate mouseover" keystroke?  On a desktop keyboard, that
would be the Control + Insert + NumPad Enter. I am not sure howthis
differs from hovering the mouse over an object by routing the JAWS
cursor to the PC cursor with the Insert + NumPad Minus.  I would try

both.


Don Marang


----- Original Message -----
From: "Sarah anson" <beccaj...@tconl.com>
To: <jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com>
Sent: Wednesday, September 16, 2009 11:33 PM
Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] iTunes 9.0 and JAWS

I tried the system access. It seems to be working exactly the same
as jaws

when I am browsing the itunes store.
It won't let me mouseover a song, so I don't know how you're
supposed  to  be previewing it.

It is probably me it just seems that the itunes is workign thesame

as  it

was in jaws. It's not reading link link link over and over towards

the beginning of the page, but other then that it's about thesame.

Maybe i'm

doing or have something set wrong.
Also, I know this is unjaws related, but where'd the put the free
on itunes page?
thanks,
sarah A.

----- Original Message -----
From: "Blackwell, Clifford" <cblackw...@cityofmadison.com>
To: <jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com>
Sent: Wednesday, September 16, 2009 3:08 PM
Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] iTunes 9.0 and JAWS

Prio to the development of VoiceOver, Apple took no steps towards
making

their computers accessible.  Rather, they relied on third party
developers to write programs for accessibility.  This is similar
to how Microsoft has interfaced with screen reader developers.
However, Microsoft and companies like Freedom Scientific and GW
Micro have tended

to work more closely together than Apple and the previous
developers of screen readers for Apple computers.

When the last of these third party developers announced that it
would no

longer be developing or upgrading its screen reading program,

Apple needed to address the void that would be created. Itneeded

to do so, because of increasing criticism of its hands off policy
and because it needed to have its products accessible to meet
contracting requirements for many governemental entities.  At
least in part, that is why Apple undertook development of
VoiceOver.

Before the development of VoiceOver, Apple wanted to attractthose

who used Windows to its Ipod products.  That is why it developed
both a Mac version and eventually a Windows version.  Again there
were many motives, but much had to do with the economics of the
music industry.

By reverting to form, in this instance, I suggest that with
respect othe

Windows version of Itunes, apple is seeking to force the screen
reader developers to play ball their way rather than building a

program/site that conforms readily to Windows standard controlsand

structures.

Why
they are doing this, I don't have a clue.

I think that if you'd like to continue this discussion, we've
reached the point where it should go off list

I thank the moderators indulgence to this point.

-----Original Message-----
From: jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com

[mailto:jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com] On Behalf OfSarah

anson
Sent: Wednesday, September 16, 2009 2:55 PM
To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] iTunes 9.0 and JAWS

Hmmm. Enteresting...So what do you mean by reversion to form
windows? Tey are trying to make itunes 9.0 look more like a
windows program?
And by apple giving stuff to third party, you mean someone else
designes

he
programs and then apple puts there name on them?
Sarah A.

----- Original Message -----
From: "Blackwell, Clifford" <cblackw...@cityofmadison.com>
To: <jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com>
Sent: Wednesday, September 16, 2009 1:35 PM
Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] iTunes 9.0 and JAWS

The basic operating systems are very different.  To program for
accessibility in one environment does not mean that it will be
programmed correctly for another.

Apple, it seems to me, has a history of pushing development of
solutions to third parties.  VoiceOver is a departure from this
approach, but it feels as if their approach to the changes in
Itunes 9 is a reversion to form for Windows based programs.

-----Original Message-----
From: jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com
[mailto:jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com] On Behalf Of
Sarah anson
Sent: Wednesday, September 16, 2009 1:31 PM
To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] iTunes 9.0 and JAWS

Well, then how come it works on the mac. Don't you I mean they

have to program voiceover. How can something work with onescreen

reader and not another?
Sarah A

----- Original Message -----
From: "Blackwell, Clifford" <cblackw...@cityofmadison.com>
To: <jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com>
Sent: Wednesday, September 16, 2009 9:14 AM
Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] iTunes 9.0 and JAWS

It is also the fault of the programmers who do not write
cstandard code that can be accessed by screen readers.

-----Original Message-----
From: jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com

[mailto:jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com] On Behalf Oftim

Sent: Tuesday, September 15, 2009 5:18 PM
To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] iTunes 9.0 and JAWS

It is accessible using a mac with voice over, but on windows
with wineyes or jaws expect some parts not to be accessible.
That is the fault of the screen readers and what they support.

At 06:17 PM 9/14/2009, you wrote:

Hi,
I have another question about itunes.
If I uninstall it to go back to itunes 8, won't it remove my
itunes folder where all my music is at?

Also, all over the apple website, it is claiming that itunes9.0

is fully accessibale. They say to use window eyes that is not
much different from Jaws.
So, if apple is claiming it's accessible then how come the
itunes store isn't accessible. I mean they are saying on there
website that the store is easier designed for the visually
impaired. Is it just that we don't know how to use the store?
I mean if they are claiming itunes 9 is accessible then it
should be. I really don't wanna switch back unless I have to.
Sarah A.

----- Original Message ----- From: "Michael Hansen"
<amt...@gmail.com>
To: <jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com>
Sent: Saturday, September 12, 2009 11:12 PM
Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] iTunes 9.0 and JAWS

Go into your iTunes folder and copy the "iTunes Library.itl"
file to your clipboard and put it somewhere.  Then when you do
manage to get the older iTunes installed, paste it over the
existing iTunesLibrary.itl file it will create...unless your
library is already there in iTunes first.

-----Original Message-----
From: jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com
[mailto:jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com] On Behalf Of
Sarah anson
Sent: Saturday, September 12, 2009 10:45 PM
To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] iTunes 9.0 and JAWS

I am not sure if you can copy and paste. If you were using the
version that was released before 9.0 then it would take you
like maybe five mins to sign up.
How do I go back to the previous version of itunes. If I
uninstall itunes and reinstall old version, won't that delete
my library?
Sarah A.

----- Original Message ----- From: "Donald Marang"
<donald.mar...@gmail.com>
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Sent: Saturday, September 12, 2009 1:44 PM
Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] iTunes 9.0 and JAWS

I installed iTunes 9 yesterday.  I am not familiar with the

iTunes layout and operation yet. It seems fairlycomplicated.I was having trouble using iTunes 9 and saw others werehaving

difficulty too.  So I decided to revert to a version known to
work.  At least until I learned how to get around in iTunes.
With a little searching, I found the following official Apple
download link for iTunes 8.2.1:
http://support.apple.com/kb/DL928

It took me 3 hours to sign up for an iTunes account, evenwith

version 9!
What is the deal with edit boxes and combo boxes in iTunes?
Is copy and paste illegal?

Don Marang


----- Original Message ----- From: "Michael Hansen"
<amt...@gmail.com>
To: <jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com>
Sent: Saturday, September 12, 2009 8:20 AM
Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] iTunes 9.0 and JAWS

I have a friend who was able to make her way around iTunes

pretty well with JAWS 8. But Kim, do not download thelatest

version of iTunes, especially if you have an older JAWS.  I
would try looking for an iTunes version
8
from
a website like www.oldversion.com

-----Original Message-----
From: jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com
[mailto:jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com] On Behalf Of
Holger Fiallo
Sent: Saturday, September 12, 2009 3:57 AM
To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] iTunes 9.0 and JAWS

go to apple.com and go to iTune and download. Regarding jaws
do not know.
probably.

Kind Regard

Holger Fiallo

----- Original Message ----- From: "kim kelly"
<kim...@clearwire.net>
To: <jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com>
Sent: Saturday, September 12, 2009 3:29 AM
Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] iTunes 9.0 and JAWS

Can I. tunes be used with older versions of Jaws?

And how is it used and also downloaded.

If some one can let me know i would appreciate it.


Kim Kelly


----- Original Message ----- From: "Sarah anson"
<beccaj...@tconl.com>
To: <jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com>
Sent: Friday, September 11, 2009 10:42 PM
Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] iTunes 9.0 and JAWS

Hi,

I installed the update! I do not like it. You can buystuff

from the store, but it is kinda complicated, and I can't
figure out how to listen to the songs. Like, to preview
them.

You go to the itunes store and then in the search box,type

something like "Boys like girls." If you know the name of
the song like "She's got a boyfriend now." Type in "boys
like girls she's got a boyfriend now."
If

you know the name of the album type the album name "LoveDrunk"
for
example or the artist and album "Boys like girls lovedrunk."Then press enter. Next tab till you hear the album youwant.
Press
enter.

hen it will say something like View full album. Pressenter
then
ctrl+end

to go to the end of the screen. Press tab and you should
hear it say "buy

love drunk." For example and then tab again it it will say
"Buy Two is better than one featuring Taylor Swift." and I
am assuming then you press

enter on the song you wanna buy. It sould take you through
the whole album.
If I can figure out more, I will let you know. And, I was
just using that

artist/album as an example on how to use the itunes store.
Sarah A.

----- Original Message ----- From: "Michael Hansen"
<amt...@gmail.com>
To: <jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com>
Sent: Friday, September 11, 2009 7:52 PM
Subject: [JAWS-Users] iTunes 9.0 and JAWS

Hi everyone,



I believe on Tuesday or sometime this week Apple released
a new version of iTunes, iTunes 9.  Has anyone downloaded
this and had any success, particularly in the iTunes
Store?  I did update and now I'm trying to figure out how
to use the thing.



Thanks,

Michael

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