A very good explanation! Thank you.
Sherri
----- Original Message -----
From: "Baracco, Andrew W" <andrew.bara...@va.gov>
To: <jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com>
Sent: Monday, September 21, 2009 12:37 PM
Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] iTunes 9.0 and JAWS
System Access is a screen reader which you purchase and install onto
your computer from a CD, thumb drive, etc. System Access to Go is a web
based version of SA which is free to use. You install it by going to
the "Run" dialogue, and typing "SATOGO". You are automatically taken to
a web site, and components are loaded into a temporary folder on your
PC. After several seconds, you will hear speech. When you close the
session, those temp files are uninstalled from the PC. It is targeted
primarily for situations where you may have access to a PC, but no
screen reading software. Keep in mind that the PC must have Internet
access, and you will need administrative rights to the machine under
Windows.
Andy
-----Original Message-----
From: jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com
[mailto:jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com] On Behalf Of Sarah anson
Sent: Friday, September 18, 2009 8:17 PM
To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] iTunes 9.0 and JAWS
what is the difference between system access and system access to go?
Sarah A.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Michael Hansen" <amt...@gmail.com>
To: <jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com>
Sent: Thursday, September 17, 2009 6:06 AM
Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] iTunes 9.0 and JAWS
Yes, in short, System Access (and System Access to Go) is the only
thing that works with iTunes right now. I don't know what the SA
"mouse over" command is, but still...it works. The format kind of
reminds me of AmazonMP3, which is fine.
Also, I don't know why the library won't read if it has been upgraded
previously--perhaps because the file contains "upgraded" data?
On 9/17/09, Sarah anson <beccaj...@tconl.com> wrote:
Hi,
Yes, I have tried that. Am using a laptop though. I think the
commands
are
the same cause I tried a moseover on a sample freedom scientific page
and
it
works fine. BAut, in itunes it doesn't.
8.2 is very easy. And, if you hit enter on a song it will play the
preview
unlike version 9. 8.2 I had no probs with using jaws 10.
Sarah A.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Donald Marang" <donald.mar...@gmail.com>
To: <jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com>
Sent: Thursday, September 17, 2009 12:20 AM
Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] iTunes 9.0 and JAWS
I am just getting started with iTunes. Even version 8.2.1 seems hard
to
get it to do what I want to do at this point. I noticed that you
mention
that you should be able to get a preview in the store by performing a
mouseover. When JAWS is focused on a song in the store, have you
attempted
the "activate mouseover" keystroke? On a desktop keyboard, that
would be
the Control + Insert + NumPad Enter. I am not sure how this differs
from
hovering the mouse over an object by routing the JAWS cursor to the
PC
cursor with the Insert + NumPad Minus. I would try both.
Don Marang
----- Original Message -----
From: "Sarah anson" <beccaj...@tconl.com>
To: <jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com>
Sent: Wednesday, September 16, 2009 11:33 PM
Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] iTunes 9.0 and JAWS
I tried the system access. It seems to be working exactly the same
as
jaws
when I am browsing the itunes store.
It won't let me mouseover a song, so I don't know how you're
supposed
to
be previewing it.
It is probably me it just seems that the itunes is workign the same
as
it
was in jaws. It's not reading link link link over and over towards
the
beginning of the page, but other then that it's about the same.
Maybe
i'm
doing or have something set wrong.
Also, I know this is unjaws related, but where'd the put the free
on
itunes page?
thanks,
sarah A.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Blackwell, Clifford" <cblackw...@cityofmadison.com>
To: <jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com>
Sent: Wednesday, September 16, 2009 3:08 PM
Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] iTunes 9.0 and JAWS
Prio to the development of VoiceOver, Apple took no steps towards
making
their computers accessible. Rather, they relied on third party
developers to write programs for accessibility. This is similar
to
how
Microsoft has interfaced with screen reader developers. However,
Microsoft and companies like Freedom Scientific and GW Micro have
tended
to work more closely together than Apple and the previous
developers
of
screen readers for Apple computers.
When the last of these third party developers announced that it
would
no
longer be developing or upgrading its screen reading program,
Apple
needed to address the void that would be created. It needed to do
so,
because of increasing criticism of its hands off policy and
because it
needed to have its products accessible to meet contracting
requirements
for many governemental entities. At least in part, that is why
Apple
undertook development of VoiceOver.
Before the development of VoiceOver, Apple wanted to attract those
who
used Windows to its Ipod products. That is why it developed both
a
Mac
version and eventually a Windows version. Again there were many
motives, but much had to do with the economics of the music
industry.
By reverting to form, in this instance, I suggest that with
respect
othe
Windows version of Itunes, apple is seeking to force the screen
reader
developers to play ball their way rather than building a
program/site
that conforms readily to Windows standard controls and structures.
Why
they are doing this, I don't have a clue.
I think that if you'd like to continue this discussion, we've
reached
the point where it should go off list
I thank the moderators indulgence to this point.
-----Original Message-----
From: jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com
[mailto:jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com] On Behalf Of Sarah
anson
Sent: Wednesday, September 16, 2009 2:55 PM
To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] iTunes 9.0 and JAWS
Hmmm. Enteresting...So what do you mean by
reversion to form windows? Tey are trying to make itunes 9.0 look
more
like
a windows program?
And by apple giving stuff to third party, you mean someone else
designes
he
programs and then apple puts there name on them?
Sarah A.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Blackwell, Clifford" <cblackw...@cityofmadison.com>
To: <jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com>
Sent: Wednesday, September 16, 2009 1:35 PM
Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] iTunes 9.0 and JAWS
The basic operating systems are very different. To program for
accessibility in one environment does not mean that it will be
programmed
correctly for another.
Apple, it seems to me, has a history of pushing development of
solutions
to third parties. VoiceOver is a departure from this approach,
but
it
feels as if their approach to the changes in Itunes 9 is a
reversion
to
form for Windows based programs.
-----Original Message-----
From: jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com
[mailto:jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com] On Behalf Of
Sarah
anson
Sent: Wednesday, September 16, 2009 1:31 PM
To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] iTunes 9.0 and JAWS
Well, then how come it works on the mac. Don't you I mean they
have
to
program voiceover. How can something work with one screen reader
and
not
another?
Sarah A
----- Original Message -----
From: "Blackwell, Clifford" <cblackw...@cityofmadison.com>
To: <jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com>
Sent: Wednesday, September 16, 2009 9:14 AM
Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] iTunes 9.0 and JAWS
It is also the fault of the programmers who do not write
cstandard
code
that can be accessed by screen readers.
-----Original Message-----
From: jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com
[mailto:jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com] On Behalf Of tim
Sent: Tuesday, September 15, 2009 5:18 PM
To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] iTunes 9.0 and JAWS
It is accessible using a mac with voice over, but on windows
with
wineyes or jaws expect some parts not to be accessible. That is
the
fault of the screen readers and what they support.
At 06:17 PM 9/14/2009, you wrote:
Hi,
I have another question about itunes.
If I uninstall it to go back to itunes 8, won't it remove my
itunes
folder where all my music is at?
Also, all over the apple website, it is claiming that itunes 9.0
is
fully accessibale. They say to use window eyes that is not much
different from Jaws.
So, if apple is claiming it's accessible then how come the
itunes
store isn't accessible. I mean they are saying on there website
that
the store is easier designed for the visually impaired. Is it
just
that we don't know how to use the store?
I mean if they are claiming itunes 9 is accessible then it
should
be. I really don't wanna switch back unless I have to.
Sarah A.
----- Original Message ----- From: "Michael Hansen"
<amt...@gmail.com>
To: <jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com>
Sent: Saturday, September 12, 2009 11:12 PM
Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] iTunes 9.0 and JAWS
Go into your iTunes folder and copy the "iTunes Library.itl"
file
to
your
clipboard and put it somewhere. Then when you do manage to get
the
older
iTunes installed, paste it over the existing iTunesLibrary.itl
file
it
will
create...unless your library is already there in iTunes first.
-----Original Message-----
From: jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com
[mailto:jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com] On Behalf Of
Sarah
anson
Sent: Saturday, September 12, 2009 10:45 PM
To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] iTunes 9.0 and JAWS
I am not sure if you can copy and paste. If you were using the
version
that
was released before 9.0 then it would take you like maybe five
mins
to
sign
up.
How do I go back to the previous version of itunes. If I
uninstall
itunes
and reinstall old version, won't that delete my library?
Sarah A.
----- Original Message ----- From: "Donald Marang"
<donald.mar...@gmail.com>
To: <jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com>
Sent: Saturday, September 12, 2009 1:44 PM
Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] iTunes 9.0 and JAWS
I installed iTunes 9 yesterday. I am not familiar with the
iTunes
layout
and operation yet. It seems fairly complicated. I was having
trouble
using iTunes 9 and saw others were having difficulty too. So
I
decided
to
revert to a version known to work. At least until I learned
how
to
get
around in iTunes. With a little searching, I found the
following
official
Apple download link for iTunes 8.2.1:
http://support.apple.com/kb/DL928
It took me 3 hours to sign up for an iTunes account, even with
version
9!
What is the deal with edit boxes and combo boxes in iTunes?
Is
copy
and
paste illegal?
Don Marang
----- Original Message ----- From: "Michael Hansen"
<amt...@gmail.com>
To: <jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com>
Sent: Saturday, September 12, 2009 8:20 AM
Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] iTunes 9.0 and JAWS
I have a friend who was able to make her way around iTunes
pretty
well
with
JAWS 8. But Kim, do not download the latest version of
iTunes,
especially
if you have an older JAWS. I would try looking for an iTunes
version
8
from
a website like www.oldversion.com
-----Original Message-----
From: jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com
[mailto:jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com] On Behalf Of
Holger
Fiallo
Sent: Saturday, September 12, 2009 3:57 AM
To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] iTunes 9.0 and JAWS
go to apple.com and go to iTune and download. Regarding jaws
do
not
know.
probably.
Kind Regard
Holger Fiallo
----- Original Message ----- From: "kim kelly"
<kim...@clearwire.net>
To: <jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com>
Sent: Saturday, September 12, 2009 3:29 AM
Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] iTunes 9.0 and JAWS
Can I. tunes be used with older versions of Jaws?
And how is it used and also downloaded.
If some one can let me know i would appreciate it.
Kim Kelly
----- Original Message ----- From: "Sarah anson"
<beccaj...@tconl.com>
To: <jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com>
Sent: Friday, September 11, 2009 10:42 PM
Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] iTunes 9.0 and JAWS
Hi,
I installed the update! I do not like it. You can buy stuff
from
the
store, but it is kinda complicated, and I can't figure out
how
to
listen
to the songs. Like, to preview them.
You go to the itunes store and then in the search box, type
something
like "Boys like girls." If you know the name of the song
like
"She's
got
a boyfriend now." Type in "boys like girls she's got a
boyfriend
now."
If
you know the name of the album type the album name "Love
Drunk"
for
example or the artist and album "Boys like girls love
drunk."
Then press enter. Next tab till you hear the album you
want.
Press
enter.
hen it will say something like View full album. Press enter
then
ctrl+end
to go to the end of the screen. Press tab and you should
hear
it
say
"buy
love drunk." For example and then tab again it it will say
"Buy
Two
is
better than one featuring Taylor Swift." and I am assuming
then
you
press
enter on the song you wanna buy. It sould take you through
the
whole
album.
If I can figure out more, I will let you know. And, I was
just
using
that
artist/album as an example on how to use the itunes store.
Sarah A.
----- Original Message ----- From: "Michael Hansen"
<amt...@gmail.com>
To: <jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com>
Sent: Friday, September 11, 2009 7:52 PM
Subject: [JAWS-Users] iTunes 9.0 and JAWS
Hi everyone,
I believe on Tuesday or sometime this week Apple released
a
new
version
of
iTunes, iTunes 9. Has anyone downloaded this and had any
success,
particularly in the iTunes Store? I did update and now
I'm
trying
to
figure
out how to use the thing.
Thanks,
Michael
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