Hi Shari,
As a regular excel user I can tell you that the way the
original chart or spread-sheet is authored has a lot to do
with the way Jaws reads it.
Secondly I have both Jaws 9.latest and 10.latest on my work
machine and frankly I have better luck with Jaws-9 and Excel
2003.
Best of luck.
Larry
-----Original Message-----
From: jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com
[mailto:jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com] On Behalf Of
Shari
Sent: Thursday, April 08, 2010 6:44 PM
To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] Excel problems with Jaws
Thank you, Brian,
At work I use Excel 2003 and Jaws 10. I didn't really think
of copying the
range of cells and pasting into Word. I did try to select
the range of cells
to print, since I couldn't get Jaws to read some of the
cells. I don't know
why, but the cells just couldn't be selected. For the cells
I couldn't
access through normal navigation, I tried to use the go to
function, trying
both F5 and control g, but again had no luck. On some of the
spreadsheets,
the read all data in visible cells worked; in others it
didn't.
I used Excel extensively today, with no problems, working
mostly on
spreadsheets that a coworker and I developed. So, the good
news is that the
problems seem to be related to a limited number of specific
spreadsheets
developed by a federal government department which I won't
have to tackle
again for 3 months.
Shari
----- Original Message -----
From: "Brian Lee" <brianl...@charter.net>
To: <jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com>
Sent: Wednesday, April 07, 2010 9:48 PM
Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] Excel problems with Jaws
Hi Shari,
I don't know what version of Excel or JAWS you are using
but I thought
I would mention a couple things for your consideration.
If you move focus to a cell or merged cells you can press
function key
2
to
go into edit mode. Parts of cells that don't show on the
screen because
of
problems like row height and column widths can still be
read in edit mode.
You can use regular document type navigational commands
when in edit mode.
I know that some people have had trouble with the auto row
height
feature
in
Excel 2007. If a cell's wrapping function is turned on
then the contents
of
the cell should wrap according to column width and be
shown on the screen.
However, I know there are some people having trouble with
the wrapping
function and the auto setting of row height. I haven't
had the problem
but
it seems that many people have had to increase row height
to read all the
contents of a cell even when wrapping and auto row height
are set. If you
check a row's height in Excel 2007 I believe the default
setting is 15
characters. Again, auto row height should cause the cell
to expand as
needed and the wrapping function should cause the text to
be read
correctly
on the screen, but sometimes a person needs to manually
increase row
height
considerably. However, going into edit mode would allow
you to read the
full content of the cell even though it is not showing on
the screen.
Another thing you might consider is copying the range of
cells and
pasting them into a Word document. Word will create a
table that you
can use your arrow keys in between lines in a cell. After
pasting
into Word the ribbon in Word 2007 will have choices for
such things as
appending to a table. However, I think that just pasting
will create a
table that you might be able to navigate in better.
I hope you get it working for you.
Take care.
Brian Lee
brianl...@charter.net
-----Original Message-----
From: jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com
[mailto:jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com] On Behalf
Of Shari
Sent: Wednesday, April 07, 2010 5:10 PM
To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] Excel problems with Jaws
This is so crazy! I thought I had tried the read all
visible cells
with
data
command, but figured it was worth another try. I opened
the first
excel
file
and the command worked like a charm. My excitement was
short lived
because when I opened the next file, the command wouldn't
read even
the cells I could access through normal navigation. The
insert shift c
or r commands read only info in a single cell. The good
news is at
this point, I've just about finished the work with this
batch of
spreadsheets, and my other Excel files still seem to be
fine. I'm
wondering if the federal government agency
that produced the problem spreadsheets did something in
the design that
Jaws
just can't handle. Thanks for all your help.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Ann Byrne" <ann...@sbcglobal.net>
To: <jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com>
Sent: Tuesday, April 06, 2010 9:46 PM
Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] Excel problems with Jaws
Have you tried the read all visible cells with data
command
(control-shift-d) or read all cells in the row
(control-shift-r for
older JAWS and insert-shift-r for new ones) and read all
cells in the column
(control-shift-c or insert-shift-c) do anything good???
Using
control-shift-d, though, only reads the cells visible on
the screen,
not all the cells. Insert-shift-r reads all cells in the
row whether
they are
on the screen or not, and likewise insert-shift-c reads
everything in
a column whether it is on screen or not.
At 06:36 PM 4/6/2010, you wrote:
I appreciate all the suggestions from listers on the
problems with
Excel. I'm still struggling with the forms. Part of the
problem, I
think is that the spreadsheets are just ridiculously
complex. The
thing that is the most
challenging is that I know there is text that I just
can't get Jaws
to read no matter what cursor I use. With the Jaws
cursor, Jaws will
read parts of several lines but won't move past a certain
point. And
then there
is text whichJaws will read when I do a say line, but
when I try to
read cell by cell, I can't get a cursor to the last cell
to check the
numbers more carefully, which I want to do because it's
hard to keep
all that info
straight in my mind.
Thanks, Shari
----- Original Message ----- From: "Sun Sounds of
Arizona"
<bill.pa...@riomail.maricopa.edu>
To: <jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com>
Sent: Tuesday, April 06, 2010 1:47 PM
Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] Excel problems with Jaws
Sometimes, you need to refresh the screen also. In
complex
spreadsheets,
particularly if you are editing a lot, the screen gets
cluttered and you
need to hit Ins plus Esc which redraws the screen and
often clears up
these
kinds of problems.
-----Original Message-----
From: jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com
[mailto:jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com] On
Behalf Of Ann
Byrne
Sent: Monday, April 05, 2010 7:39 PM
To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] Excel problems with Jaws
A partial solution is to use goto for selecting text.
Either f5 or
control-g gives you the go to dialog box. Then enter
what you want
to select. For example if you want to select rows 1
through ten,
you would type f5, then 1:10. You can select contiguous
cells,
joining them with colon as above, or non-contiguous
cells, joining
them with comma.
I would have thought that unloading and reloading JAWS
would
straighten things out when you're trying to read,
though. Excel is
hard for JAWS, being so densely formatted, but usually
unload/reload
unscrambles it.
Good luck!
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