Hi, I think I understand, but recreating (Universe) problems to make software portable seems to be a bit ridiculous. Not sure of the nature of problems that you recreated, but I take your point. However....
Is Universe still alive? (I am trying not to sound as ignorant!) How many Universe customers are migrating to jBASE? How many already migrated? Could not we finally forget about these UV compatibility issues? <ignorant>UV seems to be dead to me :)</ignorant> UV seems to be dead for many other customers. Were efforts spent to be (fully) Universe compatible worth of it? Would not be better to give advices to guys who port their own software and to fix T24 to run correctly on jBASE? I bet that T24 R06 will not run on Universe :) Migration is always a big project. I know that you were trying to make it easier. I recall one clever Temenos guy whom we met this year at Temenos Community Forum in Lisbon. He showed us T24 compiled as Java native application (yes! :)). It looked impressive (not because it was Java). He shown us also jBASIC grammar. We have asked him - "could you share"? Answer was no: "it took over 2 years (or so) to create this bloody grammar". Explanation was simple - you can not imagine how some of the constructs execute and that some are valid. Temenos has spent a lot of time on replicating jBASIC/compiler behaviour instead of telling some of the gus - please correct your nasty program, which does not work as intended (or miracurously works as intended). Kind regards Pawel Dnia 15-08-2011 o godz. 22:31 Jim Idle napisał(a): > Nice idea, but I seem to remember that in fact I/we had to put this back > in > specifically for T24. All the things you mention, and anything that you > could mention are unfortunately relied upon implicitly by almost all > software. If I had a dollar for all the Universe bugs we had to recreate > so > that we could port things, then there would be a run on dollar bills. > > The system is what it is, and there is no changing it. This is not the > jBASE > guys saying this, this is all the users. > > > Jim > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: jbase@googlegroups.com [mailto:jbase@googlegroups.com] On Behalf > > Of Pawel (privately) > > Sent: Monday, August 15, 2011 12:56 PM > > To: jbase@googlegroups.com > > Subject: RE: RE: jbase problems show-items-locks > > > > Hi, > > > > I hope that I will finally see an (environment variable?) option in > > jBASE, which will cause jBASE to abort when empty id is used in > > database operation. All cases with an empty id I have met so far were > > caused by software bugs. Moreover they were relatively hard to track - > > usually it was complex flow to recreate problem. I do not see any > > reason in keeping 'empty id functionality' available for T24. > > It would be nice if jBASE team could go forward and throw away some > > unnecessary, 'old days' things :) > > > > Another issue that can be caused by buggy software is to put > > field/value/subvalue markers. Some jBASE commands will be later > > confused. jBASE gurus: throw these possibilities away please! > > > > Kind regards > > Pawel > > > > Dnia 15-08-2011 o godz. 20:29 Jim Idle napisał(a): > > > An empty record key is just a key without any characters. It is > > > somewhat pointless, but must be supported as people inventing their > > own 'security' > > > used it a lot in the old days of Pick. > > > > > > Jim > > > > > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > From: jbase@googlegroups.com [mailto:jbase@googlegroups.com] On > > > > Behalf Of VK > > > > Sent: Monday, August 15, 2011 7:56 AM > > > > To: jBASE > > > > Subject: Re: jbase problems show-items-locks > > > > > > > > ... and don't forget MATREADU (though used in less number of > > cases)... > > > > > > > > BTW, it was always interesting to me - what's the idea of having > > > > lock with empty record key? Does it have any sense from DBMS point > > of view? > > > > > > > > VK > > > > > > > > On Aug 14, 3:46 am, adrian <ar_atkin...@yahoo.com> wrote: > > > > > With Temenos we have found there is a problem at the Jbase level > > > > > as > > > > we > > > > > have patched the F.READU program and there were no NULL records > > > > > being delivered here. > > > > > The null problem is seen more when there are a lots of locks > > > > happening > > > > > for a application, and AA and AZ have this so it is easier to > > spot. > > > > > > > > > > The F.OFS.REQUEST.DETAIL on some of out loads takes this file to > > > > > 15gb and bigger. > > > > > > > > > > Regards and Thanks > > > > > AA > > > > > > > > > > On Aug 11, 6:58 am, VK <kzm...@yahoo.com> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hi, > > > > > > > > > > > F_JOB_LIST looks ok... 2 files with no IDs are F_LANGUAGE for > > > > > > one session and FBNK_CUSTOMER_ROLE for another (though it looks > > > > > > not being DM-related - maybe the problem is here? both use > > > > > > CUSTOMER > > > > file)... > > > > > > > > > > > Might be that some core code issued F.READU without supplying > > ID > > > > (or > > > > > > supplying a COMMON variable that contains an empty string). Put > > > > that > > > > > > query to Temenos helpdesk. > > > > > > > > > > > What's the task is BTW? Update of which fields in CUSTOMER? > > > > > > Might > > > > be > > > > > > an easier solution to that... > > > > > > > > > > > Another note - non-secure is really not secure :(( Consider > > > > > > using secure mode (and pay something in performance) or J4. > > > > > > > > > > > Yet another note... is DM something called "migration tool"? > > > > > > > > > > > And - your OFS.REQUEST.DETAIL is distributed? Just curious why. > > > > > > Accumulating over 2Gb a day? > > > > > > > > > > > VK > > > > > > > > > > > On Aug 10, 7:45 pm, adrian <ar_atkin...@yahoo.com> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > We are using 10 threads at the moments > > > > > > > > > > > > we are using JR type out of the box from Temenos. (non- > > secure) > > > > > > > > > > > > we are using DM.SERVICE.DATA.FILE which we are using on a RAM > > > > drive. > > > > > > > > > > > > as you can see below in the show-item-locks you can see blank > > > > keys. > > > > > > > > > > > > 31 9358 ../bnk.data/st/ FBNK_CUSTOMER_CHARGE > > > > > > > 5383596 > > > > > > > 0x57a7c41c,W --- > > > > > > > 31 9358 ../bnk.data/st/ FBNK_CUSTOMER_ROLE > > > > > > > 0x02300000,W --- > > > > > > > 31 9358 ../bnk.data/st/ FBNK_RELATION_CUSTOMER > > > > > > > 5383596 > > > > > > > 0x57a7c41c,W --- > > > > > > > 31 9358 ../bnk.data/st/ FBNK_RELATION_CUSTOMER > > > > > > > 11561555 > > > > > > > 0x5e90b3b0,W --- > > > > > > > 31 9358 ../bnk.data/st/ FBNK_CUSTOMER#NAU > > > > > > > 5383596 > > > > > > > 0x57a7c41c,W > > > > > > > > > > > > 33 9367 ../bnk.data/of/ > > > > > > > F_OFS_REQUEST_DETAIL_06 > > > > > > > MBDM112090115838227.05 > > > > > > > 0x31fc7d36,W --- > > > > > > > 33 9367 ../bnk.data/eb/ F_DM_SERVICE_DATA_FILE > > > > > > > CCS.DM.CUSTOMER.MEMA-20110810037483638476 > > > > > > > 0x59b0e064,W --- > > > > > > > 33 9367 ../bnk.data/eb/ > > > > > > > F_JOB_LIST_3 > > > > > > > 1139 > > > > > > > 0x6883ccaf,W --- > > > > > > > 34 9371 ../bnk.data/eb/ F_LANGUAGE > > > > 0x0000001c,R > > > > > > > --- > > > > > > > 34 9371 ../bnk.data/st/ FBNK_CUSTOMER#NAU > > > > > > > 4872036 > > > > > > > 0x04b9c9ed,W --- > > > > > > > 34 9371 ../bnk.data/of/ > > > > > > > F_OFS_REQUEST_DETAIL_08 > > > > > > > MBDM112090521738237.01 > > > > > > > 0x5c4e0da1,W --- > > > > > > > 34 9371 ../bnk.data/eb/ F_DM_SERVICE_DATA_FILE > > > > > > > CCS.DM.CUSTOMER.MEMA-20110810037483537290 > > > > > > > 0x0f29a5e6,W --- > > > > > > > 34 9371 ../bnk.data/eb/ > > > > > > > F_JOB_LIST_3 > > > > > > > 250 > > > > > > > 0x7b754110,W --- > > > > > > > > > > > > AA > > > > > > > > > > > > yep , onlive it will be a one off but now its run once every > > > > > > > two weeks. > > > > > > > > > > > > On Aug 10, 7:16 am, VK <kzm...@yahoo.com> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hi, > > > > > > > > > > > > > Clarify several things please: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > many threads say to update customer > > > > > > > > > > > > > How many? Which method is used? Service OFS.MESSAGE.SERVICE > > > > > > > > I > > > > presume? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > RECORDKEY is blank in the locking tables > > > > > > > > > > > > > Which tables exactly? F.LOCKING or F.JOB.LIST.n? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > JR type files database > > > > > > > > > > > > > Secure updates or non-secure? > > > > > > > > > > > > > Last but not least - updating 1m customers looks like a > > one- > > > > time > > > > > > > > task, not a regular one, isn't it? > > > > > > > > > > > > > VK > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Aug 6, 5:39 am, adrian <ar_atkin...@yahoo.com> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > When running many threads say to update customer > > > > > > > > > (1,000.000) some of the tsa's show SLEEP in the mw42 > > view. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Looking at the show-items-locks we are see many times > > > > > > > > > lately the RECORDKEY is blank in the locking tables, when > > > > > > > > > this is happening the agents are only processing 120 per > > > > > > > > > minute while if we see no blank keys then we can process > > > > > > > > > 20,000 + a > > > > minute. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Have we a problem with our Jbase version or is this > > normal > > > > > > > > > to see records in the lock table with blanks , I must say > > > > > > > > > i have never seen this over the pass years. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > We are not using the jbase locking but the UNIX locking > > > > > > > > > (set at > > > > > > > > > 24,000) on a HP box as the jDLS was causing problems. The > > > > unix > > > > > > > > > locking has been running fine for over a month now. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Could somebody knowing Jbase explain many thanks. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sorry we are using JR type files database and R10 with > > > > > > > > > many > > > > patches. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > System Information > > > > > > > > > ================== > > > > > > > > > > > > > > System : HP-UX vic-samt B.11.31.U > > > > > > > > > ia64 UNIX User : aatkinso (uid 187, > > euid > > > > > > > > > 187) > > > > Tty > > > > > > > > > name : /dev/pts/0 > > > > Time > > > > > > > > > : Fri Aug 5 20:31:32 2011 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Environment > > > > > > > > > =========== > > > > > > > > > > > > > > JBCPORTNO : Not Set > > > > TAFC_HOME > > > > > > > > > : '/app/tafc/r10SP8/R10' > > > > > > > > > JBCGLOBALDIR : '/app/tafc/r10SP8/R10' > > > > > > > > > WARNING: JBCDATADIR is not set, Default > > > > '/app/tafc/r10SP8/R10/ > > > > > > > > > jbase_data' > > > > > > > > > WARNING: JBCDATADIR is subdirectory of JBCGLOBALDIR > > > > HOME > > > > > > > > > : '/app/t24/dm5/bnk.run' > > > > > > > > > JEDIFILEPATH : '/app/t24/dm5/bnk.run' > > > > > > > > > JEDIFILENAME_MD : '/app/t24/dm5/bnk.run/VOC' > > > > > > > > > JEDIFILENAME_SYSTEM : > > '/app/t24/dm5/bnk.run/SYSTEM' > > > > > > > > > RELEASE Information : Major 10.0 , Minor 0.8 , > > > > Patch > > > > > > > > > (Change > > > > > > > > > 92702) > > > > > > > > > Spooler dir (JBCSPOOLERDIR) : '/usr/spool/jspooler' > > > > > > > > > JBCEMULATE : 'prime' > > > > > > > > > Object path (JBCOBJECTLIST) : > > > > > > > > > '/app/t24/dm5/bnk.run/ccslib:/app/t24/ > > > > > > > > > > > > > dm5/bnk.run/GR0800004lib:/app/t24/dm5/bnk.run/t24lib:/app/t24/ > > > > > > > > > dm5/ > > > > > > > > > > > > > bnk.run/GR0800005lib:/app/t24/dm5/bnk.run/GR0800006lib:/app/t2 > > > > > > > > > 4/dm5/ > > > > > > > > > > > > > bnk.run/radlib:/app/t24/dm5/bnk.run/cardlib:/app/t24/dm5/bnk.r > > > > > > > > > un/ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > usrdlib:/app/t24/dm5/bnk.run/GR0800012lib:/app/t24/dm5/bnk.run/atmlib' > > > > > > > > > jBASE Compiler Run-time : > > > > > > > > > '/app/tafc/r10SP8/R10/config/ system.properties' > > > > > > > > > Program dir (JBCDEV_BIN) : > > '/app/t24/dm5/bnk.run/ccsbin' > > > > > > > > > Subroutine dir (JBCDEV_LIB) : > > '/app/t24/dm5/bnk.run/ccslib' > > > > > > > > > Max open files : 8192 jsh aatkinso ~ -->- > > > > > > > > > Hide quoted text - > > > > -- Please read the posting guidelines at: http://groups.google.com/group/jBASE/web/Posting%20Guidelines IMPORTANT: Type T24: at the start of the subject line for questions specific to Globus/T24 To post, send email to jBASE@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe, send email to jbase-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/jBASE?hl=en
