I like the arguing because I learn from it.  Marc made a good point that most people 
are intimidated by it - that is the big negative in my mind.  Maybe Rickard has his 
way in the end because he is more confident (translated to big ego in most cases).  I 
personally haven't argued anything here, but I have learned a lot from Marc telling 
Rickard his code is poopoo and he has problems in his architecture and then Rickard 
explaining his points.

In my 'corporate' world, some of my peers and I stage disagreements on our internal 
mailing list to get people thinking from different perspectives.  Nice to see real 
disagreements here.

Sorry if the thread is too long - just wanted to throw my opinion in...

- jeremiah



------Original Message------
From: Gina Celiko <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: jBoss Developer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: July 10, 2000 5:23:19 PM GMT
Subject: RE: [jBoss-Dev] setEJBObject


Marc wrote:
>BUT IF EACH TIME we fix something
>silly in your codebase you spend 3 days arguing
"trivial" points then we are
>going NOWHERE.  See you don't really intimidate me
however a newcomer that
>fixes that and then spends 3 days fighting with you
is going to leave,
>intimated and thinking "wow, this is not open
source".  It has been
>happening already, you know it!

Thank you Marc. You nailed it. I have been watching
the forum and trying to get a sense of what was
happening before i jumped in. Frankly having to deal
with Rickard (i am familiar with him and his big ego
from weblogic ejb developer forum) didn't appeal to me
at all. He might be a genius but can't play a team
game, he is no good to me. I like a place where i can
freely express my ideas among my peers and not shot
down every time by the likes of Rickard.

We have a bigger goal here, to create an incredible
EJB server with nothing but enthusiasm, joy and
brilliance. This is not our 9-5 job. This work is like
art, it is exhilarating, it is creating, presenting
the world our best for no motivation other than to
say, "look what we can create, when we are let free,
let our imagination run with it. no boundaries, no
limits here". So, personal egos have no place here.
Anyone who wants to play that game is welcome in the
corporate world. Believe me, they will love you for
it.

Thanks again Marc. 

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