Chris,
thank you for your note, it's good to see that at least someone
understands the point of the project.
Instead of seeing a blunt "send some money" note on the website,
anyone will be able to support the project by donating via a PDF
purchase. You will get something back in return as a token of
appreciation. Whether you think its useful or not is up to you.
Think JBoss is pretty nifty? Buy a copy.
Absolutely love JBoss? Buy some more :)
Again, thanks.
-- Juha
On Fri, 16 Mar 2001, Kimpton,C (Chris) wrote:
> Hi,
>
> Just to support the "cash for docs" project - I have recently done 2
> projects using jboss and will be buying some of these manuals - since I am
> one of those developers that doesn't like writing documentation - I am happy
> to pay someone else to do it.
>
> So - when can I buy it?
>
> I presume we are talking a few months away?
>
> I want 10-15 copies each of the user and development manuals.
>
> Regards,
> Chris
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: marc fleury [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> > Sent: Friday, 16 March 2001 14:27
> > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; jBoss Developer
> > Subject: [jBoss-Dev] RE: I don't think it is sustainable ->Re:
> > [jboss-docs] Future of group, Documentation
> >
> >
> > we move or we die
> > we move or we die
> > we move or we die
> >
> > marc
> >
> >
> > |-----Original Message-----
> > |From: Lionel Siau [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> > |Sent: Friday, March 16, 2001 8:59 AM
> > |To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; jBoss Developer
> > |Subject: I don't think it is sustainable ->Re: [jboss-docs] Future of
> > |group, Documentation
> > |
> > |
> > |Hi Marc,
> > |
> > |I think the aim is great and in the right direction however,
> > u don't have a
> > |defensible business model (for the lack of a better term).
> > |
> > |If it is free in source, how are u going to prevent pple
> > from printing for
> > |themseleves on the site(jboss is for programmers who
> > properably now how to
> > |setup their printers...) and very soon, have pple putting up
> > downloadable
> > |versions they hacked from the html pages or just pirated off
> > their license
> > |cpy. Who are the pple who would buy a cpy of the manual?
> > What are their
> > |estimated numbers? Not many I'm afraid.
> > |
> > |Just my 2c.
> > |
> > |Lionel
> > |
> > |
> > |Lionel
> > |----- Original Message -----
> > |From: "marc fleury" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > |To: "Jboss-Docs@Egroups. Com" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; "jBoss
> > |Developer" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > |Sent: Friday, March 16, 2001 10:49 AM
> > |Subject: [jboss-docs] Future of group, Documentation
> > |
> > |
> > |> Hello folks,
> > |>
> > |> after much speculation, false alarms and rumors, I would like to
> > |officially
> > |> announce what we are planning to do with the new documentation.
> > |>
> > |> The board has been at it for the past 2 month almost,
> > since it became
> > |clear
> > |> that JBoss needs to grow even more that documentation is
> > lacking and that
> > |> management of our growth requires some capital.
> > |>
> > |> For example it becomes clear that while our growth is
> > still pretty much
> > |> exponential, we need documentation, a good measure of QA,
> > packaging and
> > |> release management. These are better done with a small
> > full time group.
> > |>
> > |> We want to achieve "professional" quality in all our aspects. That
> > |includes
> > |> things that normally open source groups don't do well, among others
> > |> "documentation" and it is a small company in the making.
> > |>
> > |> One thing we would like to achieve very much is self
> > sustainance, one
> > |where
> > |> the group of Open Source Programmers can generate enough
> > of a revenue to
> > |> keep the various aspects of the project running at a "professional"
> > |quality
> > |> grade.
> > |>
> > |> We (the board) have 2 requirement
> > |> 1- Keep JBoss org "free". In fact JBoss is becoming an Open Source
> > |> Jaugernaut all by itself, the reason? the distribution! it
> > is quality it
> > |is
> > |> free! We are totally dedicated to our Open Source roots.
> > |> 2- Generate revenue from within the group for and by developers,
> > |the group
> > |> of Open Source Programmers that we have could be a self sustaining
> > |> structure. Structure the Open Source Programmers for profit.
> > |>
> > |> 2 is in constrast with RedHat that employs developers and
> > Apache where
> > |most
> > |> jakarta guys are at SUN/IBM or do something else (brian
> > |behlendorf). Java
> > |> is a rich enough field that we can at least think about the
> > |possibility of
> > |> sustaining part of the developers through self generated revenues.
> > |>
> > |> So THE GOAL OF ALL THIS is to generate enough money that all the
> > |developers
> > |> have an incentive to work and some of us can grow the free base.
> > |>
> > |> How does it work while we keep it free?
> > |>
> > |> here goes:
> > |>
> > |> We are talking about the specific case of the
> > documentation. Right now
> > |the
> > |> doco is really out of whack, there are parts that are out
> > of date, plain
> > |> wrong and generally speaking they aren't maintained.
> > |>
> > |> We are going to write the documentation in the famed user
> > manual, pretty
> > |> much from scratch reusing what we can and when we have
> > permission. The
> > |> result WILL BE FREE ONLINE. WILL BE FREE IN CVS.
> > |>
> > |> So all the documentation we produce will be available in
> > cvs and on the
> > |> website for you to use. What we will do is also offer
> > "downloadable"
> > |> versions for a moderate fee (we are thinking $10-$30).
> > |>
> > |> These version can be installed locally and even printed
> > since one of the
> > |> downloadable versions will be PDF. You can get it from
> > CVS if you are
> > |fancy
> > |> enough, but we offer the for pay download for everyones
> > convenience. It
> > |is
> > |> targeted at the "casual user" that doesn't want to go to CVS.
> > |>
> > |> The revenues go to the "GROUP OF OPEN SOURCE PROGRAMMERS"
> > that wrote the
> > |> documentation in the first place. The "GROUP OF JBOSS
> > |PROGRAMMERS" shares
> > |> the revenues depending on their contributions.
> > |>
> > |> This is "JBOSS GROUP" all of you that write doco are
> > |automatically part of
> > |> this "virtual company". There is a 30% cut that goes towards the
> > |maintaince
> > |> of JBoss org. The rest 70% is shared among authors.
> > |>
> > |> Is this clear? This is for documentation only. Do NOT
> > EXTRAPOLATE to
> > |> JBossServer itself. In fact the goal of all this is to
> > keep JBoss.org
> > |> development and management absolutely FREE. THIS IS DOCO ONLY.
> > |>
> > |> Write doco get paid.
> > |>
> > |> ANNOUNCEMENT:
> > |>
> > |> We are going to restart a professional grade documentation
> > effort under
> > |the
> > |> "write doco get paid" program. It is co-written, available
> > for free for
> > |> browsing and in cvs and available for download from JBoss
> > for a fee.
> > |Profits
> > |> are shared among writers, a 30% goes to running JBoss.
> > |>
> > |> Simple.
> > |>
> > |> So I will try to spend a couple of days really going in
> > details of the
> > |> status of the spec and getting you guys on board.
> > Everything counts ,
> > |> writing, infrastructure, XML Docbook maintainance, review,
> > patches etc.
> > |>
> > |> FAQ:
> > |>
> > |> Q: Does the same apply to JBossServer? Do we offer it for $$
> > |> A: No, in fact the goal is to keep JBossServer absolutely
> > free while at
> > |the
> > |> same time achieving "professional quality" grade in our products.
> > |> Professional Grade LGPL by financing a professional core.
> > |>
> > |> Q: What is JBoss Group?
> > |> A: JBoss Group is a virtual company representing the Open Source
> > |Programmers
> > |> of JBoss. As revenues are shared among developers and
> > |contributors, JBoss
> > |> Group distributes these. JBoss Group is also an umbrella
> > for marketing
> > |more
> > |> traditional services such as Training. JBoss Group is a for profit
> > |company.
> > |>
> > |> Q: Who takes care of billing?
> > |> A: We are investigating various venues, we will probably
> > outsource the
> > |> credit card handling to a 3rd party shortly. JBoss Group
> > is the virtual
> > |> company that aggregates the revenues and distributes to
> > the members.
> > |>
> > |> Q: I am a developer/writer, how does this move affect me?
> > |> A: If you are a developer you are free to not pay
> > attention to this AT
> > |ALL.
> > |> It won't affect you in any way. You can however decide to
> > write some
> > |> documentation and bring it under the "write doco, get
> > paid" program. The
> > |> documentation you write, if integrated in the main manual, is then
> > |marketed
> > |> and distributed through JBoss' websites. It is also
> > available for free
> > |> online for browsing and in CVS just like it is today.
> > Finally you profit
> > |> share with us. In short, your life isn't changed at all,
> > only now you
> > |might
> > |> get paid.
> > |>
> > |> Q: I am a user of JBoss technology, how does this move affect me?
> > |> A: If you are a user, you will notice that this moves
> > makes your life
> > |> better. First and foremost the documentation will be up-to-date
> > |since now
> > |> developers have a monetary incentive to produce quality uptodate
> > |> documentation, it is also edited and maintained in a
> > professional grade
> > |> manual. Better yet, it is available for free online and
> > in cvs. By
> > |popular
> > |> demand we offer a pre-packaged version for you to
> > download. This will be
> > |> HTML and PDF.
> > |>
> > |> Q: I am a writer how do I participate?
> > |> A: if you are a writer you have already been contacted for
> > permission to
> > |> include the documentation in the new manual. If you are a new
> > |contributor
> > |> please refer to jboss-docs for submittal of documentation bits.
> > |>
> > |> Q: How is the "profit sharing" decided?
> > |> A: It is proportional to your contribution. This is a bit
> > "subjective"
> > |and
> > |> not linked to "words" or "pages", but takes into account things as
> > |disparate
> > |> as "pure contributions" to "XML Docbook maintainance". The
> > |board of JBoss
> > |> will approve the percentage distribution every other month.
> > |>
> > |> Q: What is the price point you envision?
> > |> A: $10-$30 for the end user documentation, $20-$40 for the
> > developer
> > |> documentation.
> > |>
> > |>
> > |> PLgC
> > |>
> > |> Marc
> > |> _________________
> > |> Marc Fleury, Ph.D
> > |> [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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> > |>
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