This is why I bought the book about PostgreSQL. There was no info in there I needed.
But the PostgreSQL book is freely available as a downloadable PDF
as well.
If you guys would like a $30 donation, I'll be happy to send it, no PDF necessary. I
honestly think your better off soliciting donations than selling PDFs. Selling books,
on the other hand, has potential.
I'll set an example. Who should I write the check to and where shall I send
it? Whats the legal status of jBoss Group? Is this tax deductable?
Jim
--On Friday, March 16, 2001 5:17 PM +0200 Juha-P Lindfors <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:
>
> Chris,
>
> thank you for your note, it's good to see that at least someone
> understands the point of the project.
>
> Instead of seeing a blunt "send some money" note on the website,
> anyone will be able to support the project by donating via a PDF
> purchase. You will get something back in return as a token of
> appreciation. Whether you think its useful or not is up to you.
>
> Think JBoss is pretty nifty? Buy a copy.
> Absolutely love JBoss? Buy some more :)
>
> Again, thanks.
>
> -- Juha
>
>
> On Fri, 16 Mar 2001, Kimpton,C (Chris) wrote:
>
>> Hi,
>>
>> Just to support the "cash for docs" project - I have recently done 2
>> projects using jboss and will be buying some of these manuals - since I
>> am one of those developers that doesn't like writing documentation - I
>> am happy to pay someone else to do it.
>>
>> So - when can I buy it?
>>
>> I presume we are talking a few months away?
>>
>> I want 10-15 copies each of the user and development manuals.
>>
>> Regards,
>> Chris
>>
>> > -----Original Message-----
>> > From: marc fleury [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
>> > Sent: Friday, 16 March 2001 14:27
>> > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; jBoss Developer
>> > Subject: [jBoss-Dev] RE: I don't think it is sustainable ->Re:
>> > [jboss-docs] Future of group, Documentation
>> >
>> >
>> > we move or we die
>> > we move or we die
>> > we move or we die
>> >
>> > marc
>> >
>> >
>> > |-----Original Message-----
>> > |From: Lionel Siau [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
>> > |Sent: Friday, March 16, 2001 8:59 AM
>> > |To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; jBoss Developer
>> > |Subject: I don't think it is sustainable ->Re: [jboss-docs] Future of
>> > |group, Documentation
>> > |
>> > |
>> > |Hi Marc,
>> > |
>> > |I think the aim is great and in the right direction however,
>> > u don't have a
>> > |defensible business model (for the lack of a better term).
>> > |
>> > |If it is free in source, how are u going to prevent pple
>> > from printing for
>> > |themseleves on the site(jboss is for programmers who
>> > properably now how to
>> > |setup their printers...) and very soon, have pple putting up
>> > downloadable
>> > |versions they hacked from the html pages or just pirated off
>> > their license
>> > |cpy. Who are the pple who would buy a cpy of the manual?
>> > What are their
>> > |estimated numbers? Not many I'm afraid.
>> > |
>> > |Just my 2c.
>> > |
>> > |Lionel
>> > |
>> > |
>> > |Lionel
>> > |----- Original Message -----
>> > |From: "marc fleury" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>> > |To: "Jboss-Docs@Egroups. Com" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; "jBoss
>> > |Developer" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>> > |Sent: Friday, March 16, 2001 10:49 AM
>> > |Subject: [jboss-docs] Future of group, Documentation
>> > |
>> > |
>> > |> Hello folks,
>> > |>
>> > |> after much speculation, false alarms and rumors, I would like to
>> > |officially
>> > |> announce what we are planning to do with the new documentation.
>> > |>
>> > |> The board has been at it for the past 2 month almost,
>> > since it became
>> > |clear
>> > |> that JBoss needs to grow even more that documentation is
>> > lacking and that
>> > |> management of our growth requires some capital.
>> > |>
>> > |> For example it becomes clear that while our growth is
>> > still pretty much
>> > |> exponential, we need documentation, a good measure of QA,
>> > packaging and
>> > |> release management. These are better done with a small
>> > full time group.
>> > |>
>> > |> We want to achieve "professional" quality in all our aspects. That
>> > |includes
>> > |> things that normally open source groups don't do well, among others
>> > |> "documentation" and it is a small company in the making.
>> > |>
>> > |> One thing we would like to achieve very much is self
>> > sustainance, one
>> > |where
>> > |> the group of Open Source Programmers can generate enough
>> > of a revenue to
>> > |> keep the various aspects of the project running at a "professional"
>> > |quality
>> > |> grade.
>> > |>
>> > |> We (the board) have 2 requirement
>> > |> 1- Keep JBoss org "free". In fact JBoss is becoming an Open Source
>> > |> Jaugernaut all by itself, the reason? the distribution! it
>> > is quality it
>> > |is
>> > |> free! We are totally dedicated to our Open Source roots.
>> > |> 2- Generate revenue from within the group for and by developers,
>> > |the group
>> > |> of Open Source Programmers that we have could be a self sustaining
>> > |> structure. Structure the Open Source Programmers for profit.
>> > |>
>> > |> 2 is in constrast with RedHat that employs developers and
>> > Apache where
>> > |most
>> > |> jakarta guys are at SUN/IBM or do something else (brian
>> > |behlendorf). Java
>> > |> is a rich enough field that we can at least think about the
>> > |possibility of
>> > |> sustaining part of the developers through self generated revenues.
>> > |>
>> > |> So THE GOAL OF ALL THIS is to generate enough money that all the
>> > |developers
>> > |> have an incentive to work and some of us can grow the free base.
>> > |>
>> > |> How does it work while we keep it free?
>> > |>
>> > |> here goes:
>> > |>
>> > |> We are talking about the specific case of the
>> > documentation. Right now
>> > |the
>> > |> doco is really out of whack, there are parts that are out
>> > of date, plain
>> > |> wrong and generally speaking they aren't maintained.
>> > |>
>> > |> We are going to write the documentation in the famed user
>> > manual, pretty
>> > |> much from scratch reusing what we can and when we have
>> > permission. The
>> > |> result WILL BE FREE ONLINE. WILL BE FREE IN CVS.
>> > |>
>> > |> So all the documentation we produce will be available in
>> > cvs and on the
>> > |> website for you to use. What we will do is also offer
>> > "downloadable"
>> > |> versions for a moderate fee (we are thinking $10-$30).
>> > |>
>> > |> These version can be installed locally and even printed
>> > since one of the
>> > |> downloadable versions will be PDF. You can get it from
>> > CVS if you are
>> > |fancy
>> > |> enough, but we offer the for pay download for everyones
>> > convenience. It
>> > |is
>> > |> targeted at the "casual user" that doesn't want to go to CVS.
>> > |>
>> > |> The revenues go to the "GROUP OF OPEN SOURCE PROGRAMMERS"
>> > that wrote the
>> > |> documentation in the first place. The "GROUP OF JBOSS
>> > |PROGRAMMERS" shares
>> > |> the revenues depending on their contributions.
>> > |>
>> > |> This is "JBOSS GROUP" all of you that write doco are
>> > |automatically part of
>> > |> this "virtual company". There is a 30% cut that goes towards the
>> > |maintaince
>> > |> of JBoss org. The rest 70% is shared among authors.
>> > |>
>> > |> Is this clear? This is for documentation only. Do NOT
>> > EXTRAPOLATE to
>> > |> JBossServer itself. In fact the goal of all this is to
>> > keep JBoss.org
>> > |> development and management absolutely FREE. THIS IS DOCO ONLY.
>> > |>
>> > |> Write doco get paid.
>> > |>
>> > |> ANNOUNCEMENT:
>> > |>
>> > |> We are going to restart a professional grade documentation
>> > effort under
>> > |the
>> > |> "write doco get paid" program. It is co-written, available
>> > for free for
>> > |> browsing and in cvs and available for download from JBoss
>> > for a fee.
>> > |Profits
>> > |> are shared among writers, a 30% goes to running JBoss.
>> > |>
>> > |> Simple.
>> > |>
>> > |> So I will try to spend a couple of days really going in
>> > details of the
>> > |> status of the spec and getting you guys on board.
>> > Everything counts ,
>> > |> writing, infrastructure, XML Docbook maintainance, review,
>> > patches etc.
>> > |>
>> > |> FAQ:
>> > |>
>> > |> Q: Does the same apply to JBossServer? Do we offer it for $$
>> > |> A: No, in fact the goal is to keep JBossServer absolutely
>> > free while at
>> > |the
>> > |> same time achieving "professional quality" grade in our products.
>> > |> Professional Grade LGPL by financing a professional core.
>> > |>
>> > |> Q: What is JBoss Group?
>> > |> A: JBoss Group is a virtual company representing the Open Source
>> > |Programmers
>> > |> of JBoss. As revenues are shared among developers and
>> > |contributors, JBoss
>> > |> Group distributes these. JBoss Group is also an umbrella
>> > for marketing
>> > |more
>> > |> traditional services such as Training. JBoss Group is a for profit
>> > |company.
>> > |>
>> > |> Q: Who takes care of billing?
>> > |> A: We are investigating various venues, we will probably
>> > outsource the
>> > |> credit card handling to a 3rd party shortly. JBoss Group
>> > is the virtual
>> > |> company that aggregates the revenues and distributes to
>> > the members.
>> > |>
>> > |> Q: I am a developer/writer, how does this move affect me?
>> > |> A: If you are a developer you are free to not pay
>> > attention to this AT
>> > |ALL.
>> > |> It won't affect you in any way. You can however decide to
>> > write some
>> > |> documentation and bring it under the "write doco, get
>> > paid" program. The
>> > |> documentation you write, if integrated in the main manual, is then
>> > |marketed
>> > |> and distributed through JBoss' websites. It is also
>> > available for free
>> > |> online for browsing and in CVS just like it is today.
>> > Finally you profit
>> > |> share with us. In short, your life isn't changed at all,
>> > only now you
>> > |might
>> > |> get paid.
>> > |>
>> > |> Q: I am a user of JBoss technology, how does this move affect me?
>> > |> A: If you are a user, you will notice that this moves
>> > makes your life
>> > |> better. First and foremost the documentation will be up-to-date
>> > |since now
>> > |> developers have a monetary incentive to produce quality uptodate
>> > |> documentation, it is also edited and maintained in a
>> > professional grade
>> > |> manual. Better yet, it is available for free online and
>> > in cvs. By
>> > |popular
>> > |> demand we offer a pre-packaged version for you to
>> > download. This will be
>> > |> HTML and PDF.
>> > |>
>> > |> Q: I am a writer how do I participate?
>> > |> A: if you are a writer you have already been contacted for
>> > permission to
>> > |> include the documentation in the new manual. If you are a new
>> > |contributor
>> > |> please refer to jboss-docs for submittal of documentation bits.
>> > |>
>> > |> Q: How is the "profit sharing" decided?
>> > |> A: It is proportional to your contribution. This is a bit
>> > "subjective"
>> > |and
>> > |> not linked to "words" or "pages", but takes into account things as
>> > |disparate
>> > |> as "pure contributions" to "XML Docbook maintainance". The
>> > |board of JBoss
>> > |> will approve the percentage distribution every other month.
>> > |>
>> > |> Q: What is the price point you envision?
>> > |> A: $10-$30 for the end user documentation, $20-$40 for the
>> > developer
>> > |> documentation.
>> > |>
>> > |>
>> > |> PLgC
>> > |>
>> > |> Marc
>> > |> _________________
>> > |> Marc Fleury, Ph.D
>> > |> [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>> > |> _________________
>> > |>
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