>
>
>>Short-term, parsing twice does not seem too bad here... 
>>
>
>maybe to you, it sounds disasterous to me.
>

How so?

>I think that we might want to "do away" with the .sar format as we know 
>it... we can figure out how to deal with native libraries and canned 
>file systems later.
>
>
>Why? And what do you mean "as we know it? What do you want instead,
>exactly? What capabilities will it have?
>

Forget about the format for now and revist later.  Basically, stop using 
.sar and convert all current .sar deployments into .jar + .xml

>That would be fine with me.  I don't think marc has given up on having some
>kind of "wait for my class" dependency checking, I think it was the
>particular multi-threaded implementation with blocking that he gave up on.
>

That is probably best then... short term at least.

>I strongly object to parsing xml into metadata objects and then
>transferring the metadata to the real objects in another step.  IMNSHO this
>is ridiculous as a model.  I support parsing the xml directly into the
>configuration of the actual objects that you will use to do the work.  This
>is what the current ServiceConfigurator does for mbeans.  
>

There are several reason why it would be a good idea to generate a model 
from xml and use that model for configuration:

 o Isolates XML stuff from configuration, such that one does not need 
XML to configure with.  This leaves
    logic components unaware of the details of validating the 
configuration and frees it to focus on the problem
    which it solves.
 o Allows uniform validation and data transformation.  Such as 
implementing the whitespace trim unless nested
    in a CDATA block, peforming property subst on attribute values.
 o Prevents any duplicate parsing when configuration data is needed at 
different stages.  For example
    ServiceConfigurator works directly off of XML tree to invoke methods 
on MBeanServer, so anything that
    needs configuraiton before we have registered the component in the 
MBeanServer will need to walk the
    tree before it does.
 o Allows replacement marshal/unmarshalling system to be dropped in with 
minimal integration effort.
 o Allows configuration of the system where XML is not available or desired.

>IMO we can use
>JAXB or Castor or ?? to do the same with ejb configuration, thus completely
>eliminating the metadata classes.
>

This would tie the config to XML, which isn't a good idea.  Better to 
abstract this.  For example, assume there is a simple interface for 
jboss-service.xml, root level might look like this:

public interface ServiceConfig
{
    // classpath elements
    void addClasspath(String codebase, String archives);
    void addClasspath(Classpath path);
    Iterator getClasspath();

    // mbean elements
    // ...
}

// ...

ServiceConfig config = UnmarshalFromXml(inputStream); // or whatever

// Ensure required classpath
Iterator iter = config.getClasspath();
while (iter.hasNext())
{
   Classpath path = (Classpath)iter.next();
    // do check/install with ServiceLibraries
}

--jason



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