Hhmm,

I have just written the compiler shell, and if my JBoss was working would have had
it running by now - so I could answer your question.

IF I get it running AND the classpath contains no URLs AND the sourcefile is a
simple filepath THEN I will stick in a trivial URL->FILE cache and try it ELSE -
forget it !

Jules



Greg Wilkins wrote:

> Narrow band reply, as I am not sure about this.....
>
> I think jasper already gets the jsps as URLs and/or resources.
> That's why last modified does not work unless it is using jdk1.4....
>
> cheers
>
> Jules Gosnell wrote:
> > I see your point, Jan.
> >
> > However, even if JBoss supplies us with file: urls, Jasper will still need the
> > WAR unpacked so it can get at the JSPs (Greg, when I said .java in my previous
> > mail I meant .jsp).
> >
> > My solution, will sort this as well, since .jsps will also be picked up by
> > getResource().
> >
> > I agree with Greg that some other project SHOULD pick up this work. However,
> > since they haven't, it might not be a bad idea for me to pick this up and play
> > with it for a little.
> >
> > I figure that I can put together a very naive version fairly painlessly. Less
> > painfully, in fact, than having to continually explain the problem on various
> > lists/fora and provide a stream of half hearted attempts at a proper Jasper
> > integration. Furthermore, if it works, it gives JBoss/Jetty an extra win - we
> > can run all apps packed.
> >
> > Since it is not really a production problem (as discussed), a really naive
> > caching approach would probably work (I'm sure URL will probably be caching
> > the whole lot underneath me anyway).
> >
> > I'm going to give it a couple of hours this evening and see how far I get and
> > what problems I uncover.
> >
> > Speak to you soon,
> >
> >
> > Jules
> >
> >
> > Jan Bartel wrote:
> >
> >
> >>Let's consider bang for buck, or effort for reward: how much effort is
> >>it going to be for JBoss to provide a "real" path for items in an njar
> >>format (ie really making their AbstractWebContainer
> >>getCompileClasspath() method *really* return a compilable classpath
> >>rather than a bunch of URLs) versus implementing Jules' undoubtedly
> >>groovy solution?
> >>
> >>In my effort v reward calculation, I'm factoring in that what we are
> >>*in fact* trying to solve here is a development-time problem only: JSPs
> >>in production are usually pre-compiled (speed and undesirability of
> >>having javac on production machines).
> >>
> >>So, my calculator says:
> >>
> >>Fix JBoss getCompileClasspath()    v   ResourceBasedCompilerAdaptor
> >>  small effort:sufficient reward    v    big effort:sufficient reward
> >>
> >>Jan
> >>
> >>Greg Wilkins wrote:
> >>
> >>
> >>>Jules,
> >>>
> >>>I guess this is the ultimate solution - ie a compiler that takes URLs
> >>>in the classpath.  As that has not been forthcoming from jikes, sun or
> >>>whatever - then your wrapper idea is one way of providing it.
> >>>
> >>>But a couple of notes:
> >>>
> >>>  + No matter what we do about unpacking, we have to remove any code
> >>>    from anywhere that does  new File(url.getPath()) or equivalent.
> >>>    This is just not portable and never will be.   This code needs to
> >>>    be replaced NOW - before any unpacking solution is put in place.
> >>>
> >>>  + I don't think we need to look for *.java files as resource.  While a
> >>>    cool idea - it is the *.jsp files that are resources and *.java files
> >>>    are generated in temporary directories.
> >>>
> >>>  + A simple initial solution could do away with the whole cache thing.
> >>>    On every compile the classpath can be unpacked, converted to a file
> >>>    classpath and then discarded after the compile.   OK it will run
> >>>    slowly, but it is simple and will be able to test the idea first up.
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>No matter what, your wrapper idea is a fair bit of work.  My
> >>>preferred solutions in priority order are:
> >>>
> >>>  1) Ban all use of JSPs   :-)
> >>>  2) Only support precompiled JSPs :-|
> >>>  3) Provide a unpack everything option in JBoss
> >>>  4) Get the compiler writers (jikes et al?) to support URLs
> >>>  5) Get the jakarta folks to write your wrapper
> >>>  6) Get the JBoss folks to write your wrapper.
> >>>  7) You can write your wrapper
> >>>  8) Somebody suggest that the jetty people write the wrapper.
> >>>
> >>>cheers
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>Jules Gosnell wrote:
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>>I was giving Jasper and all the related unpacking problems some thought
> >>>>in the car on the way home this evening and reckon I have a nice, simple
> >>>>solution to all our woes (and Tomcat's, if they are interested...).
> >>>>
> >>>>Jasper supports pluggable compilers.
> >>>>
> >>>>We simply write a ResourceBasedCompilerAdaptor Compiler.
> >>>>
> >>>>This has 3 main features :
> >>>>
> >>>>1. it understands URLs on it's classpath. Any non-file: URL is treated
> >>>>as a resource available to
> >>>>Thread.currentThread().getContextClassLoader(), copied into a cache, and
> >>>>replaced on the classpath with a file: URL to the copy.
> >>>>
> >>>>2. when looking for the .java file that it is being asked to compile, as
> >>>>well as looking in the file system, it will try getting the file as a
> >>>>resource from Thread.currentThread().getContextClassLoader(), copying it
> >>>>into the same cache and substituting the original filename with a new
> >>>>one pointing to the copy.
> >>>>
> >>>>3. It wrap-n-delegates to the actual required compiler - javac, jikes
> >>>>etc. Which may then painlessly compile away, oblivious to the fact that
> >>>>it is running in a resource based, rather than file-based, environment.
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>Anyone see any problems ?
> >>>>
> >>>>I reckon that with this, we can forget all those painful unpacking
> >>>>problems, whilst still being able to run apps that are already unpacked,
> >>>>with no overhead.
> >>>>
> >>>>At the same time the code maintains compatibility with future versions
> >>>>of Jasper (unless they change the compiler API) whilst having no
> >>>>dependencies on ServletContainer or AppServer.
> >>>>
> >>>>Lastly, a URL->file cache may come in useful for local caching of remote
> >>>>resources, if JBoss or Jetty does not already contain one......
> >>>>
> >>>>Before you ask, I haven't given any thought to timing out the cache, but
> >>>>it should be possible to check the date on the remote resource shouldn't
> >>>>it (do I need 1.4 to do this?).
> >>>>
> >>>>Jules
> >>>>
> >>>>
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