but before we go there, please let's keep this thread on feedback i think
this is TRULY very valuable.
I can't believe there were no negative experiences? come on!
marc
> -----Original Message-----
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> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Kenneth Topp
> Sent: Tuesday, August 08, 2000 1:57 PM
> To: jBoss
> Subject: RE: [jBoss-User] Case studies
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>
> Hi,
>
> Isn't the database the perfect place for a j2ee container? That was my
> impression, just starting to work with it. When the books cover the
> latest standard, the software supports the latest minus one, and people
> are deploying latest minus two, I understand when people have issues with
> j2ee (ejb in particular). If it moves that fast, it needed to, no? That
> is why I discount people saying it _the_ thing. That being said, I do
> think it's the right direction (i'm not a naysayer ;).
>
> In particular, I've heard much about bmp vs cmp, and that no one is doing
> cmp right. I haven't done much with ejb, except try to understand it, but
> am interested in peoples perspective (how persistence will work best, and
> where the container will end up).
>
> Thanks,
>
> Kenneth Topp
>
> On Tue, 8 Aug 2000, Greg Pierce wrote:
>
> > Jeremy I'm not sure how much you've looked around, but you may
> want to look
> > at Orion if you're looking for something thats more affordable
> and is more
> > featured as a commercial product. I cringe at the idea of using
> a databases
> > vendors internally developed appserver - I've been fighting
> this on my end
> > on a project I'm interested in. Sure its nice to say 'well the database
> > supports that', but just as with anything else once you go down
> that dark
> > road there is usually no coming back from the embedding of LOTS of
> > proprietary code into your system. I think Oracle makes a good
> database, but
> > their tools and support systems are of the devil :)
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Jeremy Clymer [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> > Sent: Tuesday, August 08, 2000 2:51 PM
> > To: jBoss
> > Subject: RE: [jBoss-User] Case studies
> >
> >
> > > Come on! I need "real life" we have so much IT people on the list with
> > > ongoing projects. Can we hear your failures and your successes?
> >
> > In my department, we have been using Oracle 8i's JServer for EJBs with
> > terrible results. They force you to use too much proprietary
> code and its
> > not easy to develop on. We chase obscure errors and need to spend time
> > working around different oracle problems that come up. I love their
> > database, but they are so far off the original intention of the
> EJB spec.
> >
> > Thats why I've been looking into JBoss. A free app server
> thats written to
> > the latest spec. The only problem that I have with JBoss is
> that it won't
> > be complete in time for my applications to go live. Therefore I have
> > recommended that we go with Weblogic. It comes with its own
> problems, such
> > as high cost, but the fact that it is proven in the industry to provide
> > scalable solutions to large projects gives the project managers the
> > confidence they need.
> >
> > JBoss on the other hand is not yet a complete solution. I'm
> sure that when
> > it is done, it will compete with the best app servers on the
> market. But
> > for my needs, its development won't be complete in time.
> >
> > Jeremy
> >
> >
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