On Thu, Apr 18, 2002 at 07:25:40PM +0200, Mattias Campe wrote: | dman wrote: | >On Thu, Apr 18, 2002 at 09:09:57AM +0200, Mattias Campe wrote: | >| Maybe, some of them you can figure out. | > | >Not much other than the ones you explicitly told us. (Actually, I | >understand the "BTW" one!) | | How is it possible you understand (^), (h), (t) and (m) without ever | using MSN?
I don't, I understand "BTW". :-). | >| But (supposing you never used MSN) | > | >That's me. | > | >| try to write the full text without looking at e.g. | >| http://communities.msn.com/Emoticons. The only thing I'm personally | >| afraid of is that a lot of clients will start using MSN emoticons. I'm | >| using Gabber myself and some friends use Exodus and a lot of the time I | >| have to ask what they mean with (t)(h)(i)(n)(g)(s) like this. Why | >| shouldn't it be done write the wright way? | > | >The "wright" way (sorry, I had to) is to just write what you meant. | >hax0rs can do all the nasty munging they want with their words, but | >real hackers use real English (or their native tongue, if it's | >different, and the other party also understands it). | | Sorry for the "wright" thing ;-) , hey, but try to speak Dutch one time ;-p | If you want Jabber to be known to a lot of people, you will need the | Windows community were a lot of people kick on using emoticons. Those | people find it "cool" and "necassary" . I think it is just MSN that does that graphic junk. I've never seen AIM or ICQ do anything out-of-the-ordinary with emoticons. It is just up to the client to render ":-)" with a graphic, if it wants to. | If you would live in Belgium I would let you try to convince some of | my friens of using simple native language text instead of those | emoticons, you would probably fail... | | >| [...] | >| >| Once again, maybe this sounds strange to you, but people really kick | >on | >| emoticons. It's like "programs don't have to be usefull, they have | >to be | >| cool". I'm almost sure I can convince my sister just like that | >if a | >| client would have cool emoticons. | >| > | >| >If you want to make a jabber client that does funny graphics with | >| >certain text strings, go ahead. I like eb's and gabber's non-support | >| >of graphical smileys. Exodus (a windows client) has graphical smiley | >| >support, but if you're using win98 you need to fix it (windows, that | >| >is). | >| | >| Sorry, for the next 2-3 months I really won't have the time. And I | >| personally think there are already enough Jabber clients. I know Exodus | >| has emoticons but they are MSN emoticons :( | > | >Is ":(" an MSN emoticon? I thought those were universally understood | >and come from the days before computers could handle graphics. | | Euhm, where did I say that ":(" is a typical MSN emoticon?? You said (paraphrased) "exodus' emoticons are msn's emoticons". Exodus treats ":(", ":)", etc, as emoticons, just like the other IM programs I've used that did any graphic rendering. It doesn't get '=p' though. Hmm, now I see what you mean -- if I send (l) or (e) to exodus it renders with a graphic. Ugh. | "hax0rs can do all the nasty munging they want with their _names_, but | real hackers use _full names_" ;-p you don't keep up your principles ... My friends gave me this name years ago, before I had heard about UNIX and before I started programming. Those friends are not computer geeks at all, either. My given name isn't very hidden anyways, google can find it fairly easily :-). | (sorry for my bad English) No real problem. As long as the odd graphics and weird text mangling stays off my screen, I don't care what else you do with them. As you're trying to devise a text mangling scheme for these emoticons, don't forget that some people use IM systems to discuss coding or computer usage. I really hate it when AIM (where most of my friends on IM are) destroys lines of shell commands that contain '<' or '>'. At least exodus doesn't have _that_ problem. If someone (not me) has a coding style of : j = func (i) ; exodus and msn will be really bad for communication! -D -- If your company is not involved in something called "ISO 9000" you probably have no idea what it is. If your company _is_ involved in ISO 9000 then you definitely have no idea what it is. (Scott Adams - The Dilbert principle) _______________________________________________ jdev mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mailman.jabber.org/listinfo/jdev
