On Sun, 24 Nov 2002, Alan Williamson wrote: > Joe ... completely disagree with this RANT ... 100% > > First of all ... Cross Platform. I think we all gave up on this goal many > years ago. Including Sun actually. They no longer promote this. Its not > WriteOnceRunAnywhere. The new phrase, is WriteOnceDeployAnywhere. Christ, > even in the J2EE space, its darn near impossible to write a WAR/EAR that can > simply be dropped into a J2EE server without some/little tweeking.
That's how I'm able to do it, then? I don't modify my source for each platform - I send .jars and .wars and .ears across the wire. And use them. I must be REALLY SPECIAL. Thanks for the ego boost - I must be unique. And to be clear, I don't do simple "hello, world" apps. I do cross-platform, distributed applications. > You are making some major assumptions here! Running slow! Who says? JEdit > is basically shipped as a Windows .EXE; its merely a stub; so the > application is still running inside a JVM, its just that all is managed for > you. And why not? Since Sun fell out with Microsoft, we can't assume there > is a JVM available and we have to take that into account. Yeah, no way Sun's windows JVMs run on Windows. > The JVM is a virus! I have at least 4 on my PC; where the one is only > required. But every major App vendor, decides, they had better ship their > own, just incase one isn't there! So if someone is making life easier with > these 'stubbing' programs; then hell, they get my vote. Doesn't make it run > any slower. Sure. But are you reviewing one of these installers, or a java-to-.exe converter a la gcj? I'm all for installers. I have no problem with them. (Thank goodness for that, I'd be screwed otherwise.) My problem is with early-binding-to-.exe-format things that purport to get rid of theh vvm entirely. > I am thinking your knowledge is based on the old Borland JBuilder days; but > a lot has happenned since then. Alas, no. > [ps just read your previous post thats come in ... sorry you've lost me on > the IMPOSSIBLE paragraph, absolutely no idea where you are going there] It's called sarcasm, since I (usually) assume my readers aren't complete morons. :) > ||| -----Original Message----- > ||| From: Joseph Ottinger [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > ||| Sent: 24 November 2002 13:35 > ||| To: JDJList > ||| Subject: [jdjlist] Re: Creating tabs and javascript > ||| > ||| > ||| Well, hopefully this will fulfil your desire of galvanizing > ||| those of us > ||| who actually use java the way it's meant to be used, cross-platform > ||| deployable. Unfortunately, the message and usefulness of > ||| cross-platform > ||| compatibility and development seems to be vastly undersung > ||| by those who've > ||| not used it or needed it, so we have platform-specific java > ||| "executables," > ||| basically slow versions of what could be tuned for the platforms in > ||| question. Wow. No wonder people think Java is slow... they > ||| use it in bad > ||| ways on limited platforms. Pardon my bitterness, but > ||| helping them do this > ||| does NOT help Java as a whole in any way, and enabling > ||| people to walk into > ||| a ditch STILL LEAVES THEM IN A DITCH. > > ____________________________________________________ > To change your JDJList options, please visit: > http://www.sys-con.com/java/list.cfm > > Be respectful! Clean up your posts before replying > ____________________________________________________ > --------------------------------------------------------- Joseph B. Ottinger [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://enigmastation.com IT Consultant ____________________________________________________ To change your JDJList options, please visit: http://www.sys-con.com/java/list.cfm Be respectful! Clean up your posts before replying ____________________________________________________
