But what sort of "experience" do you need to have ? I am assuming that an employer wants "experience" in an Information Technology area. It sounds as if the "shit jobs" to which you refer to -- are jobs that aren't in an IT area. Like maybe waitering ? Or something like that ?
I'd be happy to get a "shit job" if the shit job was say working in a IT employer's office -- in whatever capacity. I'd be happy with that. When I start getting upset is when I start only being able to get a job in a field that has no relevance to IT of Software Engineering whatsoever. ----- Original Message ----- From: "M. E. Zawadzki" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "JDJList" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Tuesday, February 04, 2003 2:51 AM Subject: [jdjlist] Re: gap between universities and employers ???? > You simply get a shit job for the first couple of years to get that experience. It's part of life. > --- Tim Nicholson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Just wanted to pose a question :- > > > > Have any of you found there to be a large gap between what universities > > produce (ie as graduates) and what employers want ? > > > > Like for example --- one employer wants someone who has experience with > > "Advantage Gen". I have no idea what this is and have never come across it > > before. Maybe some of you might have heard of this ? > > > > And another employer wants someone who has skills with the "Rational > > toolset" . I am not talking about Rational Rose but about products like :- > > TestManager, TeamTest, ClearCase, ClearQuest. > > > > These are just 2 examples of trying to illustrate the point that I am > > experiencing -- that employers seem to want a whole lot of "skills" that are > > not taught at universities. > > > > I find this quite concerning. > > > > Also ofcourse there is the issue that almost all employers want someone who > > already has "2 or 3 years of commercial experience". > > > > What happens to people who have just come out of university ? What sort of > > job opportunities do they have when employers don't seem to want to "give > > anything" ? ie they want someone who already knows about these new products > > that a freshly graduated person has never heard of before. > > > > I don't know if it counts as "commercial experience" if for example your > > university has a final year > > project -- which is a "real life" problem with a real life client who has > > come to the university with this problem ? I would hope that it is. > > > > > > > > > > > > ____________________________________________________ > > To change your JDJList options, please visit: > > http://www.sys-con.com/java/list.cfm > > > > Be respectful! Clean up your posts before replying > > ____________________________________________________ > > > ===== > > Mark Zawadzki Performance Engineer/DBA/Programmer extraordinaire' [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > "Democracies die behind closed doors," - Judge Damon Keith > > "The people of this country, not special interest big money, should be > the source of all political power. Government must remain the domain of > the general citizenry, not a narrow elite." - Sen. Paul Wellstone > > > > __________________________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. > http://mailplus.yahoo.com > > ____________________________________________________ > To change your JDJList options, please visit: > http://www.sys-con.com/java/list.cfm > > Be respectful! Clean up your posts before replying > ____________________________________________________ > ____________________________________________________ To change your JDJList options, please visit: http://www.sys-con.com/java/list.cfm Be respectful! Clean up your posts before replying ____________________________________________________
