I started as a lab technician (by way of Navy experience) and lent myself to any and all computer work that was required such as robot programming and data management. I was getting my CS degree at night, applying what I learned during the day.
And, no the shit jobs aren't always outside IT. Doesn't your university have a placement office ? An internship program ? OTOH, if the ecomomy is shit - you must do what you have to until it rebounds. Another reason you don't see entry level jobs posted is that employers recruit these positions directly *from* universities. You'll hear a lot more about type of thing at the end of the school year. You can get plenty of experience, if you want, working on an open source project (to be found @ jakarta, sourceforge, etc.) . Also many charitable organizations are begging for volunteers do do web pages, accounting stuff, membership databases, etc. For example, I am volunteering to teach people with Cerebral Palsy how to work a computer. BTW Tim, you are putting the cart before the horse, *again*. Worry about you grades, and as long as you are not in a dioploma mill, an entry level job will come your way when you graduate. --- Tim Nicholson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > But what sort of "experience" do you need to have ? I am assuming that an > employer wants "experience" in an Information Technology area. It sounds as > if the "shit jobs" to which you refer to -- are jobs that aren't in an IT > area. Like maybe waitering ? Or something like that ? > > I'd be happy to get a "shit job" if the shit job was say working in a IT > employer's office -- in whatever capacity. I'd be happy with that. When I > start getting upset is when I start only being able to get a job in a field > that has no relevance to IT of Software Engineering whatsoever. > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "M. E. Zawadzki" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: "JDJList" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Sent: Tuesday, February 04, 2003 2:51 AM > Subject: [jdjlist] Re: gap between universities and employers ???? > > > > You simply get a shit job for the first couple of years to get that > experience. It's part of life. > > --- Tim Nicholson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > Just wanted to pose a question :- > > > > > > Have any of you found there to be a large gap between what universities > > > produce (ie as graduates) and what employers want ? > > > > > > Like for example --- one employer wants someone who has experience with > > > "Advantage Gen". I have no idea what this is and have never come across > it > > > before. Maybe some of you might have heard of this ? > > > > > > And another employer wants someone who has skills with the "Rational > > > toolset" . I am not talking about Rational Rose but about products like > :- > > > TestManager, TeamTest, ClearCase, ClearQuest. > > > > > > These are just 2 examples of trying to illustrate the point that I am > > > experiencing -- that employers seem to want a whole lot of "skills" that > are > > > not taught at universities. > > > > > > I find this quite concerning. > > > > > > Also ofcourse there is the issue that almost all employers want someone > who > > > already has "2 or 3 years of commercial experience". > > > > > > What happens to people who have just come out of university ? What sort > of > > > job opportunities do they have when employers don't seem to want to > "give > > > anything" ? ie they want someone who already knows about these new > products > > > that a freshly graduated person has never heard of before. > > > > > > I don't know if it counts as "commercial experience" if for example your > > > university has a final year > > > project -- which is a "real life" problem with a real life client who > has > > > come to the university with this problem ? I would hope that it is. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ____________________________________________________ > > > To change your JDJList options, please visit: > > > http://www.sys-con.com/java/list.cfm > > > > > > Be respectful! 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