Hi all,

First, check out sites like www.javaranch.com.  They may already have what you are 
looking for or may be open to supporting the J2EE as a conversation topic.

Second, group lists like Yahoo Groups and others may be the inexpensive alternative.  
There may be some copyright rules that you may not want to get entangled by, so check 
this option carefully.

Third, there are some publications that may be interested in expanding their current 
opt-ins for J2EE

  Steve 

-------Original Message-------
From: William Rice <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: 03/05/03 01:23 PM
To: jdjlist <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: [jdjlist] Chat rooms

> 
> I would like to developed a chartroom with J2EE.  I developed on my desktop
and it is not a server class machine,  but I have developed java programs
on
my machine.
1.) Is this possible?
2.) What classes would I need?

The next question is:
I want to get certified in JAVA2EE.
1.) Is there a certification?
2.) Are there any good books on testing?

Please all help me with these questions!!!


-----Original Message-----
From: TommCatt [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Tuesday, February 04, 2003 1:14 PM
To: JDJList
Subject: [jdjlist] Re: gap between universities and employers ????


From: "Jason Bell" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

> May I just say as someone with no university education.... never did me
any
> harm....

I worked for years without a degree and there would be times when it
actually worked to my advantage.  Large companies usually have a minimum
pay
scale determined by experience and degrees.  They could offer me less than
the other job applicants with degrees and the same experience.  I would,
in
effect, go to the head of the line.

However, generally I have found it better to have the degree.

> A CTO and writing for JDJ.  Not boasting, but just proving that anything
is
> possible.

Hey, I get JDJ.  I guess I'll have to start paying attention to the
author's
name when I read an article. 8^)

No offense intended, but I have found that, many times (but there are
exceptions), people who are best at writing about programming are not the
same ones who are best at programming -- and vice versa.  Here's hoping
you're one of the exceptions.

In that same vein, many times top notch programmers (developers, Software
Engineers, whatever) can't write a resume to save their life.  Top
technical
talent tend to be shy and self-effacing.  They don't like to brag or bring
undue attention to themselves or their accomplishments.  So when I come
across a resume that fairly glows in my hands, my first impulse is to
throw
it away.

Tomm



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