Like most good conversation, this discussion raised more questions that it answers. I will ask mine just in case anyone knows the answer.
1) Do we have any sense or committment to the extent of upwards compatibility of applications written for Jetspeed 1? 2) Will Jetspeed 2 be issued with the same licensing as the rest of the Apache code? 3) Is there a www site for Jetspeed2? 4) How will the transition from Jetspeed 1 to 2 be handled by the Jetspeed contributing members. Will there be a separate support site? How long will Jetspeed 1 get active support? 5) What documents are currently available describing Jetspeed 2? Pluto? I am having enough trouble and excitement getting Jatspeed 1B4 to do what I want, so my questions are a bit of background for long-term planning. I will not be overly offended if you want to close off this discussion until a few months before Jetspeed 2 is due for release. Ron -----Original Message----- From: Weaver, Scott [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, September 26, 2003 9:37 AM To: 'Jetspeed Users List' Subject: RE: Jetspeed2 planning > -----Original Message----- > From: Tim Reilly [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: Friday, September 26, 2003 5:55 AM > To: Jetspeed Users List > Subject: RE: Jetspeed2 planning > > True but... > > In defense of these fellows who are dedicating their time to J2... > I have to say - first realize that until the JSR is finalized there are > legal implications; in particular the Non-Disclosure Agreement (NDA) to > consider. NDA was the absolute worst thing in the world; it is the consummate OSS killer! > > I'd suggest anyone that really wanted earliest access could have joined > the > JCP as an individual and self-nominated to themselves to the JSR-168. > > The Pluto code base is under IBM's determination as to who can have access > as well as I suppose the JSR member organizations. So we can not beat-up > on > the Jetspeed team for this since they have no control over the issue. Someone (an IBM employeed) on the Jakarta PMC is now taking care of getting the correct licenses and CLAs in order for Pluto. > > I'm not super familiar with the Apache PMO process, however I have been > able > to find various information on the proposal in the J2 CVS and on the main > apache site - proposals, etc. > > That said - I agree with the certain overtones of "closed'ness". Let's say > that if I donated enormous resources to Apache I might try to throw my > weight around a bit. I can't guess what the "behind the scenes" issues are > - > but if you look at the voting minutes for the JCP there are political / > legal considerations it seems. The SCO/Linux pharse I'm sure also has > every > company that contributes to open initiatives on their toes - double- > checking > their "i"'s and crossing their "t"'s. > > So I'd rather /thank/ those working the Pluto proposal and project, and > the > jetspeed 2 project > - I'm sure they are frustrated in not being able to share what they got > yet > as well. David and I are probably more frustrated than anyone else. We have had many talks about how disgusted and fed up with this process we have become. I agree 100% that the closed-ness is shady and is against the ideals of OSS. What I think people on the list need to understand is that we are trying our damnedest to make things available to the community. However, we can only do so much; the rest is out of our hands. > > It seems every week or so someone expresses these same frustrations (which > I > share), but I don't see anything constructive by doing that. > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Endre Stolsvik [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Sent: Friday, September 26, 2003 3:57 AM > > To: Jetspeed Users List > > Subject: Re: Jetspeed2 planning > > > > > > On Thu, 25 Sep 2003, Weaver, Scott wrote: > > > > | From what I have heard, it's very close now. I know, I know I have > > | said that before, but I have seen correspondence in Apache lately that > > | seem to point things actually being finalized. What you might also > find > > | interesting is that Pluto and Jetspeed may have a new home at > > | portals.apache.org, nothing is set in stone on that though. > > > > -Where- are these things going on? > > > > How much "behind the scenes" is to be expected from an -OPEN SOURCE- > > organization like Apache? > > > > Endre. > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] *===================================* * Scott T Weaver * * Jakarta Jetspeed Portal Project * * [EMAIL PROTECTED] * *===================================* --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
