If it weren't for Jaws, or another screen reader, those programs mentioned
would not be accessible at all to us blind professionals. Therefore, the
most efficient use of such programs using Jaws is a worthy topic to be
discussing on a Jaws specific list. My understanding was, that was this
lists purpose? But, till Jaws is used on any of these mobile phone
platforms, it is not a suitable topic for a Jaws specific list. It can be
noted the name Jaws originally stood for Job access with speech. As many
job related programs, such as Microsoft Word, XL, and Power point, ETC.
Along with technical programs of which I personally am unaware are used by
those with Jobs whose efficient use is dependent on an expertise with the
screen reader discussed on this list, is why such programs are appropriate
for this list. Simply because they are used with Jaws, and they might not
be used as efficiently, if at all, by another screen reader. Or an
employer, or government agency may not have given the end user the choice of
the use of another screen reader. Which is often the case.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Greg Nickel via Jfw" <[email protected]>
To: "'Maria Campbell'" <[email protected]>; "'The Jaws for Windows
support list.'" <[email protected]>
Sent: Friday, December 12, 2014 7:50 PM
Subject: RE: Off topic messages
Narrow mind, narrow focus, no collaboration, no invention, no solutions.
Open mind, open focus, collaboration, invention, solutions.
I agree that this is slightly off topic but so have been many of our
questions regarding excel and word and other programs that are only
related
to jaws by the fact that jaws runs with them. The fact that there is no
jaws UI for phones is a topic that has been clearly articulated by this
thread. The discussion of the UI or lack of it does relate directly to
jaws
as we all use our mobile devices just as much as our windows/jaws driven
machines in order to interact and thus our experience with JFW is relevant
as it relates to the same experience on other important machines that
facilitate communication. It's a matter of continuity within the
framework
of UI's and how the community of the blind can engage it successfully.
The emotional response that drives members to make this adversarial
opposes
the inspiration that started the forum. We all know that as a blind
person
we have to work harder to accomplish the same as one who is not challenged
with the impairment and closing the discourse for proprietary reasoning is
absurd. We need to help one another through collaboration, invention and
solution. It is okay to bring up topics that are slightly off topic so
that
we engage the fringe of perspective. This is what drives invention and
discovery which is what all of us are trying to do here...learn!
I appreciate keeping on topic and within the mission of the forum which is
why when I read a few posts regarding slightly off topic subjects by our
members I ask to engage offlist. But without opening the dialog and
allowing discourse to take place there is no way for any alternative
engagement. Perhaps providing good guidelines for topics that are
slightly
"off-topic" would be helpful as I do not agree with the closed door
approach
to open engagement and thus perhaps that is worthy of further discussion.
I have learned so much in the short time I have been involved with this
forum by reading the topics that stream into my inbox and communicating
with
members offlist and I'm very greatful for it.
Thanks to all of you.
-----Original Message-----
From: Jfw [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Maria
Campbell
via Jfw
Sent: Friday, December 12, 2014 2:46 PM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Subject: Off topic messages
I can't help but wonder why the moderators are not handling this cell
phone issue in a better manner.
There are general cell phone list, iPhone lists and android phone
lists. That has been established.
Siri is not JAWS. Whatever works with android is not JAWS.
Too bad if you don't want to bother to take the time to deal with
additional messages that might better serve your needs on another list.
That's your choice.
Moderators, would you please get this list back to the intended purpose.
Thank you.
--
Sunny Day
Maria Campbell
[email protected]
Somewhere, something incredible is waiting to be known.
Blaise Pascal
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