that JFW thing doesn't list all the same things. it is totally different.
On Fri, 09 Jul 1999 13:10:10 -0400 David Poehlman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
writes:
> actually can you not currently use ins+f10 to access this list?
> as far as what they were talking about they had a screen reader that
> had this little thingy like jfw does now with ins+f11 where you
> could
> list the system tray icons and perform actions on them but they did
> not have the jfw capability of freely examining the task bar so
> their
> assumption was that the task tray was this special monster.
>
>
> The heated argument arose from the fact they wanted to believe
> fiction
> rather than fact and I abhore that sentament. Is it really true
> what
> they say? "ignorance is bliss"? I have never found this to be so.
> Mary Ward wrote:
> >
> > David,
> >
> > You said you had had a heated argument with someone who thought
> Jaws
> > couldn't access the task tray and found they meant something else.
> Probably
> > the "something else" they meant was the task list. Occasionally
> you have to
> > shut down something there. This is the thing that comes up when
> you press
> > control+alt+delete. A very notorious example of a time you need
> to access
> > this is when installing Kurzweil 1000 version 4.0. You have to
> shut down
> > absolutely everything but Windows Explorer. The task list is the
> only way
> > you can do this easily, and so far, you either have to go through
> some
> > pretty complicated procedures or just get sighted assistance.
> >
> > Hopefully, JFW 3.31 will provide support for going into the task
> list.
> >
> > Mary Ward and Blossom
> > [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: David Poehlman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > Date: Thursday, July 08, 1999 5:56 AM
> > Subject: Re: Ghosts on the Taskbar
> >
> > >Hi Norm!
> > >actually, other screen readers have been sneering at jfw for a
> while
> > >claiming they have access to the system tray when we supposedly
> did
> > >not. In fact, I had a heated argument withsomeone who thought
> the
> > >task tray was something else all together and was quite surprised
> to
> > >find that it is infact that little area between the clock and the
> > >first running program icon. I wish there was some kind of
> discernable
> > >boundary but I think this is done intentionally. I have thought
> for a
> > >long time since I traversed it pixel by pixel many times in the
> good
> > >old days that the task tray as they want to call it is actually
> part
> > >of the task bar.
> > >dunno, I guess I need to read up on that one.
> > >system tray and task tray by the way are the same tray eh?
> > >Ahhh, but I digress. To answer your question, The graphics are
> still
> > >there, they just take a bit more trucking to find. in fact, you
> can
> > >get them back to almost normal by changing the behaviour of the
> icons
> > >but It seems you must be sighted to do this and I cannot remember
> off
> > >hand the steps it takes. Here's a problem I am having with 3.3
> Often,
> > >I will put my jaws cursor on an icon system tray or other wise
> and
> > >activate the good old manual graphics labeler and hear that I am
> not
> > >on a graphic at all. What are those numbers then?
> > >[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> > >>
> > >> Hi,
> > >>
> > >> Thank you to David and Jack for their advice on how to get
> round the
> > >> problem.
> > >>
> > >> I do wonder, though, what is the change that has been made?
> What about
> > >> those other screenreaders out there which have not yet
> incorporated the
> > >> facility to list task tray icons?
> > >>
> > >> The fact is, I had labelled graphics on the taskbar, and now
> they are not
> > >> findable except via a special facility. Has Microsoft sneaked
> one past
> > us,
> > >> or what?
> > >>
> > >> Regards,
> > >>
> > >> Norman
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