We do live in an economy. If you feel so strongly about this, build public opinion and drive the corrupt out of the temples of power. Make sure that just laws are made and implemented.
As long as the political system remains unchanged, somebody or the other will be there to exploit the system. Tatas, Sterlite, Posco, whoever. Their colours will not change, only their identities will. Calling Savita uncharitable names does your cause no good at all. In a democracy, the only route is mass awareness and your effectiveness will be judged by the numbers you can convert to your cause. Do not underestimate the politicians; they know this part of the game better than any NGO. Has Mr. Anand Kumar been instrumental in keeping the tribals backward? And what is the guarantee that the tribals will get anything at all? Who knows whether there will be a market for these ores then? Incidentally, who owns the land where these deposits lie? People evidently have greater patience than you wish to give them credit for. Otherwise, we would have seen a few more Birsa Mundas. What is the ride that Tatas have taken everybody on on their Nano? Is it a crime to make a cheap car? Have any of you given any thought to the support that Maoist philosophies enjoys in various parts of India? There is one common factor to all these areas: The soil does not provide even subsistence. Your intentions are noble but is it possible to provide for the tribals on their own land through their means of existence and a primitive economy? On 1/16/08, Partho Datta <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > Samuel Lakra <[EMAIL PROTECTED] <samuellakra%40yahoo.com>> wrote: Dear > all. > > I have seen the comments of the members so far. I express my views here. > > The statement of Savita Kispotta clearly sounds to me, as if she is > spokesperson of the house of Tatas. I feel pity at her ignorance and lLack > of knowledge. Natural resources are the gift of the mother nature to the > people of the state and people in power for a term of five years are > mortgaging the long term interest of the people of the state for years to > come. They do not bother to look at vital issues, before they enter in to > MoUs with Tatas or Sterilites etc. Their only purpolse is to use the > opportunity to make quick money to be deposited in Swiss banks. Our corrupt > leaders and officials appears to have done Ph.D. in doing so. > > We do live in an economy. If you feel so strongly about this, build public > opinion and drive the corrupt out of the temples of power. Make sure that > just laws are made and implemented. > > The locals are mostly exploited in the mining activities and are driven > out of the area where mining and industrial activities are taking place. It > is the faulty policies of the state that has made those locals vulnerable. > Savita definitely knows how governments run and what is the role of > industrilists like Tatas and Sterilities, Savita's arguments are senseless > and ridiculous. It will be total waste of time to respond to her ill > thoughts and childish comments. > > I fully endorse the views expressed by Nachiketa and others How can any > one justify to give away mining rights for a paltry sum of only Rs. 11/- to > a maximum of Rs. 27/- per ton, when its international market price as on to > day is over Rs. 8000/- per ton. [not Rs. 2000/- as stated by Nachiketa] Who > will believe that government do not know such huge difference? The fact > remains that only because of this iron ore or bauxite to be looted, Tatas > and Sterilities are here. > > As long as the political system remains unchanged, somebody or the other > will be there to exploit the system. Tatas, Sterlite, Posco, whoever. Their > colours will not change, only their identities will. Calling Savita > uncharitable names does your cause no good at all. > > Every body knows that the identity of the TATAs has been created on the > sacrifices made by the tribals. With the same iron ore, while Tatas has > become a global name, tribals forced to move out from those land have turned > beggars. > > In a democracy, the only route is mass awareness and your effectiveness > will be judged by the numbers you can convert to your cause. Do not > underestimate the politicians; they know this part of the game better than > any NGO. > > I also feel pity on the ignorance of Anand Kumar who has no regret to > compare iron ore with clay. In a foolish manner, he talks of 30 years, but > do not know that the iron ores are safely burried in the mother earth since > billions of years where a period of 30 years is nothing. The proper > marketing of the iron ore can make Jharkhand or Orissa or even Chhattisgarh, > a zero tax state in the country within 3 years. Where are you Mr. Anand > Kumar! > > Has Mr. Anand Kumar been instrumental in keeping the tribals backward? And > what is the guarantee that the tribals will get anything at all? Who knows > whether there will be a market for these ores then? > > Incidentally, who owns the land where these deposits lie? > The open day light robery is going on because of mindset of the ill > educated people like Savita Kispotta and Anand Kumar who make senseless > arguments without knowing the subject or do not know what they say. > > People have been wating with great patience for over 60 years. How many > more years you want them to have patience, Mr. Anand Kumar! > People evidently have greater patience than you wish to give them credit > for. Otherwise, we would have seen a few more Birsa Mundas. > > I agree with Partho Datta when he says that Orissa has proved to be a > failure in marketing strategy, thanks to its corrupt and inefficient > political leadership, who has no vision. Jharkhand and Chhattisgarh are also > sailing in the same boat. > > Deba Nayak has rightly stated that Tatas has taken every body for a ride > with the new magic wand NANO that will take common man of the country on a > joyous ride, but people of Orissa have already been taken for a ride even > without NANO. > > What is the ride that Tatas have taken everybody on on their Nano? Is it a > crime to make a cheap car? > > Tatas have exploited Iron ore, Chrome ore and various other minerals, used > tribals for a paltry sum in the name of wages, and have contributed a lot to > the political parties to ensure that their arrangements to loot the natural > minerals are going on undisturbed. Remember, TATA Memorial hospital is in > Mumbai and not in Orissa or Jharkhand. Fountains with coloured lights are > dancing at Jubilee park in Jamshedpur but tribals living in the periphery > areas are striving for drinking water. For a small car NANO, there is no > body needs for even 100 Acres of land, but the hunger of land has resulted > in forcible acquisition of 1000 Acres of land, Gopalpur and Kalinganagar are > in front of us. Both this soil has turned red with the blood of farmers most > of whom are tribals. At Chhattisgarh also similar situation has taken place. > > > Have any of you given any thought to the support that Maoist philosophies > enjoys in various parts of India? There is one common factor to all these > areas: The soil does not provide even subsistence. Your intentions are noble > but is it possible to provide for the tribals on their own land through > their means of existence and a primitive economy? > > Samuel Lakra > > Environmental Protection Group Orissa <[EMAIL > PROTECTED]<epgorissa%40gmail.com>> > wrote: Don't underestimate clay. Clay holds water. > > From the perspective of a person who lives in the mining area - the mines > come and destroy the environment and give nothing back. The State and its > people don't even get any value apart from the ridiculously low royalty > (Rs. > 26 for a tonne of iron ore worth more than Rs. 2000 in the market - the > raising cost is never more than Rs. 200/tonne), providing exorbitant > profits > to the miners. Also, mining destroys the forests and water sources, > pollutes > rivers and brings in social and political disruption. Why should one > welcome > it - specially when there is no direct benefit from it. > > How much benefit have the tribals of Jharkhand got from TATAs? Of course > it > has made a few families very rich and some very well off. > > Nachiketa > > On 1/15/08, Anand Kumar wrote: > > > > Yes so what is the use of those iron ores keeping them buried inside for > > the > > next 30 years and doing nothing? They are as good as clay. > > > > If you use them now, I am sure we are going to see some of the benefits > > coming out in the next 30 years time. Obviously, if you are proud enough > > to > > believe that those IRON ores are there to make each even every family of > > Jharkhand a rich by miles, then there is no such magic anywhere. > > > > On Jan 15, 2008 2:20 PM, Soumya Dev > > > wrote: > > > > > What is the use of the land after 30 years when the Iron ore is over? > > > > > > Anand Kumar < [EMAIL PROTECTED] <anandkr%40gmail.com> > wrote: Sahi > Jawaab > > > :-) > > > > > > > > > It is perhaps because of such mindset that we are lagging behind. Grow > > up > > > guys. This is a basic rules that the powerfuls have ruled over the > > weaker > > > ones. Nobody can help you directly otherwise you are just asking for > > > another > > > round of reservation and that is so much clear by now, what a failed > > > concept > > > it has been. > > > > > > The industrial development has surely help people in the area. It > takes > > > time > > > (read years) for the benefit to trickle down to the lowermost echelon > of > > > society. Nobody can do a miracle. Have patience, trust and have a > > positive > > > outlook towards life. What is the use of Iron ore inside the land? > > > > > > Having this mindset is the real blame for such a pathetic state and > > > nothing > > > else. > > > > > > On Jan 15, 2008 11:41 AM, savita kispotta < [EMAIL > > > PROTECTED]<savitakispotta%40yahoo.com> > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > I have a different opinion about Tata's or any such business houses > > > > which the locals claim to be SUCKING BLOOD. > > > > > > > > - Iron Ore or Coal mines or be is whatever natural resources - It > was > > > > there to harness for EVERYBODY. Why did the LOCALS or other than > > Tata's > > > or > > > > Sterlite did not harness it??? One cannot blame the other person or > > > > organization for grabbing the opportunity if it existed & one did > not > > > make > > > > use of that oportunity. > > > > > > > > - Business houses have muscle power - agreed, but there are some > > > > formalities, rules & regulations by which they acquire land or mines > & > > > set > > > > up their business. I dont think that there is any set up done by Big > > > > business house without GOVERNMENT approvals. The GOVERNMENT which is > > > chosen > > > > by the LOCALS. If there is injustice, FIGHT the Government, LEARN > how > > to > > > > choose a correct Government, revolt against the government - Why > Blame > > > > Business Houses? Why keep crying about injustice? > > > > > > > > - Beggars are not Choosers. Its the benevolence of the business > > houses, > > > if > > > > they give something in return They DON'T HAVE TO because they pay > > heavy > > > > TAXES already to Government. Tell me what percentage of our earnings > > do > > > we > > > > give out as charity?? And how regularly, if at all we do part with a > > > small > > > > sum? > > > > > > > > - Bottom Line - No use ot blaming business houses. Its because of > them > > > > > > that Indian has shown so much of progress over the last couple of > > years. > > > > From inception of life, the rule has been "Survival of the Fittest". > > > FIGHT, > > > > STRIVE, THINK, WORK HARD, COMPETE, if you really want to come up in > > > life. > > > > > > > > Stop the Blame Game. & Stop thinking that someone will come & make > > your > > > > life easier. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Partho Datta < [EMAIL PROTECTED] <pdot52%40yahoo.com> > > > wrote: > > > > That counts as a marketing failure on the part of the Orissa > > government. > > > > Partho Datta > > > > > > > > deba nayak > wrote: Rs. 1-lakh > > > > > > > car "Nano" of Tata Motors will provide a joyous ride to common man. > > > > > > > > But people of Orissa are literally taken for a ride. > > > > > > > > Exploiting Orissa's iron ore and chrome ore for a century Tata Steel > > has > > > > given little in return. Apart from a couple of plants here and there > > > with > > > > few social projects the House of Tata has ignored Orissa. > > > > > > > > But the group is lavishing West Bengal with a number of major > > industrial > > > > and huge social investments. > > > > > > > > Ratan Tata has listed a slew of investments his group would make in > > West > > > > Bengal on 11 January. > > > > > > > > Tata Steel is investing in coke and power plants in Haldia. > > > > > > > > TCS will be setting up a large facility in Calcutta, where as in > > Orissa > > > it > > > > has a small development centre. > > > > > > > > The "country's largest cancer hospital with "World class research > and > > > > development" facilities would also be built in Calcutta, announced > the > > > > > Steel > > > > Czar. > > > > > > > > In Orissa it has set up small hospitals in Joda and a few tiny > health > > > > facilities in the mines and nearby plants. > > > > > > > > It acquired 4000 acres of land in 1996 at Gopalpur to set up a major > > > steel > > > > project. > > > > > > > > But it ditched the state and set up the cold rolling mill at > > Jamshedpur. > > > > > > > > Compelled to announce a Greenfield steel project at Kalinga Nagar > due > > to > > > > threat of cancellation of iron ore lease, the project is yet to make > > any > > > > progress. > > > > > > > > Orissa has given every thing to Tatas and leaders of the state have > > gone > > > > out of the way to shower favors to the Steel Major. > > > > > > > > Tata receives hundreds of crores of rupees per annum by exporting > > > > /exploiting chorme ore and iron ore. > > > > > > > > Once the mineral is exhausted that area is left like abandoned filed > > > full > > > > of gaping holes. > > > > > > > > Mining areas of Gorumahisani and Badampahar bears the burnt of Tata > is > > > an > > > > eye opener. > > > > > > > > With all the iron ore deposits exhausted the fields of both the > areas > > > are > > > > abandoned without any trace of development leaving huge craters as > > their > > > > legacy. > > > > > > > > Now craters accumulate water, resulted in the breeding grounds for > > > > malaria, which has become scourge for the poor tribals. > > > > > > > > Tatas have never looked back to barren tracts of Gorumahisani and > > > > Badampahar and now it is one of the most deprived zones of the > state. > > > > > > > > Similar will be fate of entire mineral bearing areas of Orissa, when > > > after > > > > 20 years all its chrome and iron ore will be exhausted , predict > > experts > > > of > > > > the industry. > > > > > > > > Earlier Orissa paid for the development of Jamshedpur and now > experts > > > say > > > > the state will continue to pay for development of Calcutta. > > > > > > > > http://www.tathya.in/story.asp?sno=1547 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > "Everything can be represented as mathematically as you wish, for > > example, > > > d(sachin)/dt = zero" > > > > > > Regards > > > Anand > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > with regards, > > > soumya dev > > > Executive Editor > > > The Tribal Tribune > > > > > > > > > > > > -- Jharkhand Forum A Global Network of Jharkhand E-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.jharkhand.org.in/forum [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
