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It is interesting to define Sardar KPS Gill as belonging to the RSS outfit. This shows the rationale of Nachiketa. Thank you for your clarification. Also former DG of Punjab PC Dogra is also responsible for exposing the Congress for its anti-Sikh pogorms during the 1984 anti-Sikh riots instructed by some its prominent activists. How does that make P C Dogra ant-Sikh? Please stop using this forum for propogating falsehoods -----Original Message----- From: Environmental Protection Group Orissa <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: [email protected] Sent: Sun, 24 Feb 2008 1:54 Subject: Re: [ =>> Jharkhand <<= ] request Dear Bhabani and others, In response to Bhabani's mail, I agree with you that moderators should take a stand and stop this discussion - even though I have been a part of the same discussions. As I pointed out earlier, certain members of the listserve are on a "mission", and accordingly post articles/writeups targetting particular communities/group of people. The writeup by Mr. Ashok Saha, the retired IPS IG (and a VHP member) on Kandhmals was an instance. The Justice of Trial Report on Kandhmal is another. Why were these circulated on the listserve, if they are not relevant to Jharkhand and deal with Orissa? It is interesting to note that in the main listserves which serve Orissa- these reports have not been circulated or if circulated, refuted strongly by various people and then sunk without any arguments. But in a listserve dedicated to Jharkhand, this issue about Orissa is being kept alive and linked to Christian missionaries and conversion- a typical Sangh Parivar agenda. Given my interests in both Orissa and Jharkhand, it is very difficult to keep quiet on such misinformation and propaganda. I also realise that these people with a mission have all the time in the world to reply, and that they will never give up arguing. They find enemies everywhere, whether it is in muslims or christians or so called "secularists". This argument will be an endless one- because we are faced with people who are closed to rationality and compassion. Ghum phir ke wahin par baat aajaayegi. For a person who has been a long term watcher of such fundamentalist groups (and their online listserves and sites)- I can assure you that they will not stop this unless they are clearly asked to. Again these people have gleefully circulated the Justice on Trial Report as a vindication of their stance on Kandhmal riots, without pointing out that Justice on Trial is a hindutva outfit floated by an ex-justice who has been pro-hindutva and partisan in his dealings. I am providing the details below: Justice on Trial, Ahmedabad based Human Rights' Organisation registered under Trust Act. Founded by Justice SM SONI, President of JOT: He was a Former Justice Gujarat High Court and former Lokayut of Gujarat. He softened his stand as a judge to acquit a Bajaranga dal activist. He as a justice of the Gujarat High Court said that the courts, instead of being swayed by media reports (post Gujarat riots), should take punitive action against any interference with the judicial process. Soni also blamed the former Chief Justice of India heading the NHRC for not following the judicial norms by approaching the Supreme Court, instead of the High Court, when Best Bakery accused were acquitted by a session's court in Gujarat. He also added, The decision to transfer the case was not on grounds of merit or evidence. The case, instead of being transferred to Maharashtra, could have been referred back to the Gujarat High Court. ( ToI - 18-5-2004) One can know about his credibility from the links given below- http://intellibriefs.blogspot.com/2005/05/teesta-setalvad-controversial-best.html http://www.sabrang.com/tribunal/vol2/comppolice.html timesofindia.indiatimes.com/articleshow/679414.cms http://coalitionagainstgenocide.org/reports/2002/cct.2002.report.vol1.pdf Dr V.N.Shah , a Doctor based at Ahmedabad , RSS member Some of the Members of the JOT Fact Finding Team visited Kandhamal- The Chairperson of the Team - Sardar J.S.Gill,Additional Advocate General, BJP ruled Rajsthan Govt., Jaipur Shri P.C.Dogra, Former DG of Police, Punjab: The most anti-sikh and notoriously violator of Human Rights in Punjab http://www.indianexpress.com/res/web/pIe/ie/daily/19970707/18850233.html Ms. Nafisa Hussein : Participant in the Rashtriya Swayamsevak Sangh-sponsored "Nationalist Muslim Conclave" Feb 13-14, 2005 JAIPUR Nafisa Hussein. Nafisa Hussain, a member of the NCW, went on record saying that several organisations and the media have needlessly blown out of proportion the violence suffered by minority women in the communal riots of Gujarat. Two other members of the FFT - Captain M.K.Andhare and Ram Kishor Pasari based in Ahmedabad are never found to condemn the Post-Godhra riot. Please see how RSS values the FFT report from JOT in its mouthpiece – http://www.organiser.org/dynamic/modules.php?name=Content&pa=showpage&pid=225&page=11 All the members of the JOT team were carefully selected for their sympathies for the Hindutva cause or who were officials under BJP regimes. Is it possible to have an unbaised report from such people? This mail is just to inform people who may be swayed by this apparently "unbiased" report on the situation on Kandhmals that you need to read it with a pinch of salt. I am sure that this mail on this would again invite an avalanche of postings from my Hindutva supporting friends. MY own suggestion is that we take a majority view and stop targetting any one community/religious group in this listserve and stop all these mails which unneccessary hurt certain community members. Let us cut this chain of point-counterpoint. I will not post anything countering AkhandHind, V and Saurabh if they refrain from posting matter about Orissa or Gujarat or condemning christiam missionaries/islam/secularists or promoting hindutva propaganda. Maybe the hindutvaminded friends would like to set up another listserve where they can talk to each other. Regards Nachiketa On Sat, Feb 23, 2008 at 6:28 PM, v <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: I would encourage this healthy debate to continue if necessary and is a current news item. I did not come across any member to be arrogant. What would be arrogant I guess to consider the debates "valueless". Rather than requesting the moderator and members to post according to one person's expectations and desires, it is best we delete a message that does not interest us. After all it is not expected all messages will interest us, since the group caters to a diverse range of people and discusses diverse range of subjects. Let democracy and the true spirit of discussion prevail. Isn't that what a discussion group is all about. On 3/24/08, Bhabani Nayak <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Dear Members and Moderator, I request to the moderator of the Jharkhand group to moderate the mails before posting it in the group. I request all members to think before replying to any discussion or debate. I am part of this mailing group to know about the issues facing by the tribals in particular and people of Jharkhand in general. I am not here to read all the valueless debates on settle questions i.e. role of Christian missionaries/Hindu right wing forces in tribal areas, corruption and so on. Please if any member feel like replying it then reply it to the sender and have a personal debate as there is no point in debating publicly on a settled question. Please do not send individual arrogant mails to prove your points, you can send it to the sender instead of sending in the group id. You can save your time and time of others by doing this. Wish you all the best. With love and regards Bhabani -- website: www.freewebs.com/epgorissa ________________________________________________________________________ AOL's new homepage has launched. Take a tour at http://info.aol.co.uk/homepage/ now.
