Dear Walter The record of Christian missionaries is the most pathetic when it comes to natives, their culture, religion, wya of life. Christian missionaires have the objective ot trampling, destroying native religions and replacing it with Christianity. WE have ample proof world over, the sorry state of natives due to missionary activities be it amongst the South American Indians, or African or polynesians.
The same scenario is now being repeated in India as well. Nagaland is virtually 100% and is wreaked with Christian separatism. I am 100 pro tribal beliefs, gods, culture, values. Christians are 1000% against tribal gods. Thus Christian missionaires utilize social service to destroy the religion of the tribals. Very little exists of the religion of the aborigines, maoris, American Indians, Africans and Nagaland in India. It is high time Christians develop respect and love for Gods of other religion and do not follow the intolerant way of Jesus Christ is the only and only true god and all otehrs are false prophets. This is the core cause why they go about converting others. Venkitesh *When the missionaries came to Africa they had the Bible and we had the land. They said "Let us pray." We closed our eyes. When we opened them, we had the Bible and they had the land. -- Desmond Tutu* On 5/8/08, North Eastern Social Research Centre <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Dear Vikash > > No serious scholar accepts that tribals are Hindus particularly those of > the Northeast. They are of Mongoloid origin. Also their languages are not of > Aryan or Dravidian origin like those of North or South India. Their culture > is different even from that of the remaining tribes of India. > > That does not make them less Indian. Unity is not uniformity. All do not > have to be Hindus in order to be Indian. We need to respect and celebrate > diversity. Unfortunately, I keep seeing the efforts that are being made to > sanskritise them instead of helping them to modernise their tradition. Most > teachers in Arunachal are brought from the Hindi region. They spend most of > their time on Hinduising them instead of teaching them what they are paid to > do. Only the East Khasi district in Meghalaya has 65 schools run by various > units of the Sangh Parivar. All education, books and uniform are given free. > They spend much of their time trying to Hinduising the tribals, most of whom > are Christians. The students go there because everything is free. The 32 > Christian schools in that district have very few students. The day in what > is called the Traditional School at Vishwema in Nagaland begins with the > recitation of four Sanskrit shlokas though their language is of Mongoloid > origin. There too students get free education, uniform and books. > > I do not need any money to say this. I am a recognised scholar on tribal > issues and I do not need any money to say that. It looks as though your case > is very weak, not based on any serious study. So your only alternative is to > make such unfounded allegations. That is not serious discussion. I too can > ask you how much money you have received from the Sangh parrivar to say that > the tribals are Hindus and to make such allegations. So stop such > irresponsible statements and continue the discussion only if you are capable > of doing it in a serious manner. > > Walter > > > * www.jharkhand.org.in/forum * <http://www.jharkhand.org.in/forum> > <http://egroups.com/list/Jharkhand> > * * > > > ----- Original Message ----- > *From:* vikash singh <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > *To:* [email protected] > *Sent:* Wednesday, May 07, 2008 7:39 PM > *Subject:* Re: [ =>> Jharkhand <<= ] RE: [ Jharkhand ] Conversion law > > > > Dear Mr. Walter, > > Tribals are Hindoos, becoz we are natives and natives > by default are Hindoos. > > Now you are coming up with theory that tribal are > different, your point of view is just to divide the > natives, so that they can be converted easily. > > Mr. Walter Fernandes, you are racist and missionary, > and now my question, how much money have you received > from your Church(read Eurppe) for coming up with this > theory. > > What was your purpose of visiting whole of India(Was > it to see, who are potential target for your > conversion). > > ******************************************* > with best regards > Vikash S. > > --- Walter Fernandes <[EMAIL PROTECTED] <nesrcghy%40gmail.com>> wrote: > > > Venkitesh, it is a fallacy to say that traditional > > beliefs in India have been living side by side for > > ages. I have toured much of India, especially tribal > > India and have seen the type of damage non-tribal > > religions have done to the tribal culture which is > > different from Hinduism. So don't tell me that it is > > all right for the tribals to be Hinduised and bad to > > be Christianised. Let us have some respect for the > > tribals and not impose our own religion on them and > > then accuse someone else of destroying their > > culture. In other words, the tribals are human > > beings and are not to be turned into tools of our > > propaganda. > > > > Walter > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: venkitesh > > To: [email protected] <Jharkhand%40yahoogroups.co.in> > > Sent: Wednesday, May 07, 2008 1:00 PM > > Subject: Re: [ =>> Jharkhand <<= ] RE: [ Jharkhand > > ] Conversion law : Mahatma Gandhi on Conversions > > > > > > > > Walter > > > > Traditional beliefs in India have been living side > > by side, peacefully and harmoniously for millenia. > > Problems have emerged eg Khandamanl violence only > > since the advent of highly aggressive, intolerant > > crafty missionary. organizations. > > > > Venkitesh > > > > > > On 5/7/08, North Eastern Social Research Centre > > <[EMAIL PROTECTED] <nesrcghy%40gmail.com>> wrote: > > > > You are right Ven. I tour Arunachal Pradesh > > regularly. There I see how every effort is made to > > Hinduise the tribals and move them away from their > > original religion. Those who convert them to > > Hinduism impose a saffron culture on them. They also > > keep a few tribal customs but Hinduise them. I agree > > with you that once the trribals are converted to an > > alien religion they lose everything they have. > > > > Walter > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: ven > > To: [email protected] <Jharkhand%40yahoogroups.co.in> > > Sent: Thursday, May 01, 2008 3:00 PM > > Subject: Re: [ =>> Jharkhand <<= ] RE: [ > > Jharkhand ] Conversion law : Mahatma Gandhi on > > Conversions > > > > > > > > People who want to supress discussions on > > missionary activities have their own hidden agenda. > > > > Tribals in Jharkhand possess tremendous > > knowledge about their environment. They are the > > guardians of the land. They know the medicinal > > plants, the animals, the local culture, the gods, > > .... they will never go and destroy their > > environment. So for a healthy economy, it is vital > > the jharkand tribals safeguard their knowledge. > > > > Once they convert to alien religion, they > > lose everything. They become another consumer based > > society and all hte ills thereoff. > > I would suggest the tribals ensure they get > > good education from the missionary schools so that > > they are abreast with the modern times, but never, > > never, give up your local gods and beliefs for > > anything alien. > > > > Venkat > > > > > > On 5/1/08, North Eastern Social Research > > Centre <[EMAIL PROTECTED] <nesrcghy%40gmail.com>> wrote: > > > > I agree with you Barbara. I was very happy > > when I started getting the material from the > > Jharkhand group because I have worked on tribal > > issues for three decades. Soon I realised that some > > fundamentalist elements have taken it over and were > > indulging in name calling and making all types of > > allegations. There was no dialogue. I hope that some > > sense will prevail in this e-group. > > > > Walter Fernandes > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: BARBARA ali > > To: [email protected] <jharkhand%40yahoogroups.co.in> > > Sent: Sunday, April 27, 2008 9:01 PM > > Subject: RE: [ =>> Jharkhand <<= ] RE: [ > > Jharkhand ] Conversion law : Mahatma Gandhi on > > Conversions > > > > > > Dear All, > > > > > > Indeed this makes us look like silly > > Goats!!!! After all who are the real ancestors of > > us, from where and who are you all come > > from???APES????? or Scape Goats!!!!!????? > > > > Let us all begin, with the simple lesson > > of 'Humility' and 'Respect' for each other.Put a > > stop to this topic and pick up some thing more of > > interest and encouragement to the Youth Of India > > Today. Help them to pick up their pieces and go on > > with their lives instead of such endless waste of > > exchange on a site that could help develop Indians. > > > > Bye, > > > > Barbara. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ---------------------------------------------------------- > > To: [email protected] <Jharkhand%40yahoogroups.co.in> > > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <wk2002%40btopenworld.com> > > Date: Sun, 27 Apr 2008 12:27:27 +0100 > > Subject: Re: [ =>> Jharkhand <<= ] RE: [ > > Jharkhand ] Conversion law : Mahatma Gandhi on > > Conversions > > > > > > > > Dear All > > "*Aping of Europeans and Americans* as > > quoted by > > Venkitesh .... > > > > > > As I wander about through the length > > and > > > breath of India I see > > > many Christian Indians almost ashamed > > of their > > > birth, certainly of their > > > ancestral religion, and of their > > ancestral dress. > > > The aping of Europeans by > > > Anglo-Indians is bad enough, but the > > aping of them > > > by Indian converts is a > > > violence done to their country and, > > shall I say, > > > even to their new religion. > > > (Young > > > > > > India: August 8, 1925)" > > > > As far as apping of the west is > > concerned it is > > certainly not limited to Christians. > > OPEN your eyes > > and look around you and you will agrre > > that APING of > > the WEST is ceratinly not "Christian or > > Anglo Indian" > > phenomenon. > > > > APING OF THE WEST has nothing to do with > > Christianity!! CHRISTIANITY HAS NOTHING > > TO DO WITH THE > > WEST. > > > > Mahatma Gandhi was certainly a great > > leader and > > deserves to be father of the nation but > > every thing > > that he wrote or said or believed is not > > sacrosanct ! > > > > I have not read personally the criteria > > for NOBEL > > PEACE PRIZE nominations but As far as > > his not being > > given the Nobel Peace prize because he > > was not a > > CHRISTIAN is a pack of lies and > > distorting the issue. > > Just like you gave sources of references > > for other > > quotes can you please give us your > > refernces for this > > in particular paragraph !!! > > > > Was Nathuram Godse sent from the " dark > > forces" > === message truncated === > > > > * www.jharkhand.org.in/forum * <http://www.jharkhand.org.in/forum> > <http://egroups.com/list/Jharkhand> > * * > > > >
