Bob,

Can you please provide a template letter?

Jaim

On Aug 31, 2014, at 1:45 PM, Robert Hanson 
<hans...@stolaf.edu<mailto:hans...@stolaf.edu>> wrote:

Folks, I would appreciate some letter-writing support in relation to

http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-webapps/2014JulSep/0084.html
http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-webapps/2014JulSep/0377.html

I don't know if you can respond directly to that list or not. I think you can. 
Please, if you do, be polite -- just share the importance of JSmol. Ask them to 
remove the recommendation to browser developers to "experiment" with breaking 
all our pages.

The executive summary is that if this recommendation is taken:

<quote src=http://xhr.spec.whatwg.org/>
Developers must not pass false for the async argument when the JavaScript 
global 
environment<http://www.whatwg.org/specs/web-apps/current-work/multipage/infrastructure.html#javascript-global-environment>
 is a document 
environment<http://www.whatwg.org/specs/web-apps/current-work/multipage/webappapis.html#document-environment>
 as it has detrimental effects to the end user's experience. User agents are 
strongly encouraged to warn about such usage in developer tools and may 
experiment with throwing<http://dom.spec.whatwg.org/#concept-throw> an 
"InvalidAccessError<http://dom.spec.whatwg.org/#invalidaccesserror>" exception 
when it occurs so the feature can eventually be removed from the platform.
</quote>

All, and I mean ALL current JSmol implementations will stop working instantly.

I'm not sure the writers of that understand the implications for science and 
science education. Some word from others in prominent positions might help.

I would prefer they not just hear from me. Don't over-do it, just help them see 
what such "experimentation" would do to us.

That said, I am making good progress making FUTURE JSmol implementations 
totally asynchronous. I'm actually very close. I have a test version that loads 
everything asynchronously other than shapes, and it almost works. (Famous last 
words!)

But current pages using Jmol.getPropertyAsArray() or Jmol.evaluateVar() will 
absolutely be broken and will need some rewriting even if I do get a totally 
asynchronous version of JSmol running. Because those are inherently synchronous 
methods, and at least their first use requires an asynchronous  process.

I do have some ways around that. Basically you can effect (asynchronous) module 
loading in Jmol (the to-be asynchronous part) by issuing calls to 
Clazz._4Name(). For instance:

  Clazz._4Name("JV.PropertyManager")

just after applet creation will load the code that will later be used for 
Jmol.getPropertyAsArray() or Jmol.evaluateVar()

But obviously this will take updating of current web pages.

Bob


--
Robert M. Hanson
Larson-Anderson Professor of Chemistry
Chair, Department of Chemistry
St. Olaf College
Northfield, MN
http://www.stolaf.edu/people/hansonr


If nature does not answer first what we want,
it is better to take what answer we get.

-- Josiah Willard Gibbs, Lecture XXX, Monday, February 5, 1900

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