Hey, Julius, no big whoop ... I knew you knew all that. I was responding to 
Wally, who asked: "Is that a Mozart melody?" to which I replied: "No, it 
isn't." Which is correct ... we may not know the melody's origin 
definitively, but we do know Mozart did not compose it.

-Fred


In a message dated 12/11/01 11:56:17 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

>I wrote:
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>>and Mozart's immortal "Twinkle, Twinkle Little Star"
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>>"Wally asked:
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>>is that a mozart melody?
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>Wrong, said Fred:
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>> No, it isn't. According to The Book of World Famous Music by James J.
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>Fund,
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>> it first appeared without words as "Ah! Vous Dirai-Je, Maman" ("Shall
>I
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>tell
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>> you, Mother?") in Les Amusements d'une Heure et Demy by M. Bouin in Paris
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>in
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>> 1761. Mozart did compose 12 variations on the melody.
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>Now I say:
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>Yes, it is.
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>Let's put the thread back in its original context.  The question was: "which
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>songs evoke the strongest childhood memories for you?"  My "Twinkle Twinkle
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>Little Star" response was based on childhood recollections of my mother
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>playing Mozart's "Theme and Variations K265" (1781 or 1782) on solo grand
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>piano before tucking me into bed when I was four or five years old, while
>we
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>were living in Ansbach, Germany.  I still have the sheet music and the
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>wondrous memories.
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>I could've said, "Themes and Variations...etc," but I chose to use the
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>"Twinkle Twinkle..." title to tap in to the universal familiarity and
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>childhood innocense evoked.  I never meant to suggest that Mozart wrote
>the
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>lyrics, nor were there any lyrics to his composition when written.  The
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>title "Twinkle Twinkle Little Star" did  not become associated with the
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>melody until a poem written by Brit sisters Jane and Ann Taylor called
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>"Star," appeared in a book called _Rhymes for the Nursery_ in 1806 and
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>became inextricably linked as lyrics to the melody, which was overwhelmingly
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>attributed to Mozart at that time.
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>Now, Fuld's book (not "Fund" btw) cited by Fred does espouse the
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>conventional wisdom on the origin of the melody, but it's not by any means
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>the definitive derivation explanation.  Another authoritative sources
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>(_Compleat Mozart: A Complete Guide to the Works of Wolfgang Amadeus
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>Mozart_, Zaslaw and Neal, editors, 1990) say the theme originated as a
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>popular French air called "Les amours de Silvandre (Silvandre's Loves)"
>in
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>1761.
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>I would love to hear "Ah! Vous Dirai-Je, Maman" played from _Les Amusements
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>d'une Heure et Demy_ to see how closely it resembles Mozart's variations.
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>Fred?
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>-Julius

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