<Kasey Simpson wrote> Franklin,I have read your post with interest
and amusement. You speak of "shadow governments", "billionaire boys
club", and
"puppets".
<Franklin> Funny, when I was a kid, I never liked puppet shows. Just
goes to show how we are molded by our childhoods.
<Kasey> You've listed sites (which I have gone to) to back
up your theories. However, I find no substance to your dark
hypotheses.
<Franklin> A) They are not MY hypotheses. B) Perhaps you didn't want
to find substance to them. That might alter, restrict or otherwise
distress your apparently rigid yet comforting personal world-view.
Try this site on for size http://www.infowars.com That oughta REALLY
blow your safety-craving spirit - all several hundred articles. You
seem to confuse conspiracies with fairy tales, and that's just what
THEY want you to do. Exactly, precisely how it works. Yet a
conspiracy is simply that - a conspiracy "to join in a secret
agreement to accomplish an unlawful or wrongful act 2) a mischievous
plot, generally conceived for political, personal or financial gain
in a such a manner as to skillfully elude discovery.
<Kasey> They are merely an opinion on world events.
<Franklin> That's your opinion.
<Kasey> I'll give you credit for wordy (however empty) manifestos, but if
I were to believe what you say I'd have to make a huge leap.
<Franklin> Thank you. I've always subscribed to the principle that
ALL meaningful manifestos must be wordy and empty! Perhaps the remote
possibility of recognizing that we are not in ANY danger, imminent or
otherwise from Saddam Insane and his 223 1950's vintage (classics,
I'm sure - probably collectable if auctioned on e-bay) Soviet tanks,
his infamous shotgun (that really scares the hell outa ya, doesn't
it?) And his Fedora - complete with GPS satellite system to target
your home - is a HUGE leap for some. The idea that G.DUB has the
I.Q. of a sparrow and the morals of a mouse is probably a huge leap
too. Let's all rally around the flagpole and hurry up and rid the
world of this Mad Mastermind and his pita-pounding patsies before he
annihilates us all. All we need to do is increase the war budget to
say, oh - 3-500 billion dollars (never mind whose pockets that's
inevitably going into), toss roughly 200,000 young men and women over
there and while we're at it, we might as well confiscate his biggest
threat: those deadly oil fields that have the capability of toppling
entire economies with a single turn of the spigot. Now mind you, lest
there be any misunderstanding, the oil well appropriations are
strictly incidental to the "real" issues at stake.
In fact, THEY'RE already hard at work trying to figure out how to
dole out the proceeds from the petrol collectively into every
red-blooded American's pockets. Just think! We're all gonna be
RICH!! Hell, the entire human race can see that this is the only
sane thing to do to protect all of "humanity". And they realize that
the American public should at least receive communal rights to those
oily wells - out of sheer gratitude for OUR courage and resolve,
standing up to that extraordinary, world-threatening POWERHOUSE -
Iraq. What a brilliant idea on G.Dub's part. Sheer genius. Must
have thought about it while reading People Magazine in the John.(On
second thought, there's probably a "red phone" in there.
<Kasey wrote> I would have to believe that all persons in government
are corrupt.That no one elected to public office ran because they
wanted to make
a difference.
<Franklin responds> Well if you "would have to believe that all
persons in government are corrupt" then I can't argue with you. Such
absolutes are a real impediment to contemplating alternative
possibilities, especially rational ones. (Just try reasoning with
Osama, or G.Dub for that matter - good luck.)
<Kasey wrote> As you are aware we are a government of checks, and
balances, so all the House, Senate, Executive, and Judicial branches are
corrupt.
<Franklin> Now we're getting somewhere. I am aware of that, although
I must confess - I'm somewhat surprised that you are!!
<Kasey wrote> Now I farther must believe that voting means nothing, that this
billionaires boys club has rendered voting impotent.
<Franklin> To a degree. They have put an interesting twist on it: "Do
you want Candidate A, or Candidate A. Take your pick". (by the way,
I believe you meant "further".
<Kasey wrote> Big stretch for me to make.
<Franklin> All I can say to that is that stretching is very good for
the body (as well as the brain) and, in any event, is highly
recommended before and after any vigorous exercise (mental or
otherwise).
<Kasey wrote> Now you say that only those that know the 'truth' can
rise above this.
<Franklin> Quotes "" around truth yours not mine, which indicates
that you are the one who is attempting to qualify what "truth" is -
to you at least. You would be correct in assuming that from the
standpoint of personal belief - I find that the truth is in Christ -
He IS the truth (hey, what can I say? I read the Bible a couple times
and it makes more sense to me than some of the idiotic nonsense
posited by other "prophets" through the ages, even if some of the
restrictions have been known to grate on my carnal spirit - surprise,
surprise. Oh, well - one fascinating thing about human nature is that
most people intrinsically know when their behavior is destructive,
degrading, harmful to their spirit and others. Another fascinating
thing is how often they cringe, cry foul, seethe and scream when
confronted with it, through spiritual, social or personal revelation.
The "truth" really does hurt some times - don't it though. Ah,
humanity... such a silly, selfish bunch.
But my dear, back to qualifying (yours); I have conducted most of my
conversation regarding a different kind of "truth". Let's call it
facts, just to avoid confusion. For instance, here's a fact: Kennedy
was assassinated ONE day after he signed a bill withdrawing all U.S.
forces out of Vietnam. Lyndon (hi, I'm a corrupt, politically
whoring, good ol' boy from Texas. Where did you say you put those
sacks of hundred dollar bills partner? - behavior that even his
hand-picked biographer freely acknowledges) Johnson's FIRST act as
the new REGIME leader was to rescind and reverse that bill with
Generals standing beside him gleefully rubbing their hands together -
HIS VERY FIRST ACT. OK, so maybe it WAS coincidence. A coincidence
that culminated in a ten year quagmire costing our heroic (we were
there to HELP those poor,ignorant Vietnamese from deciding what type
of government they wanted to live under - boy would that have been a
world-threatening disaster. We sure showed our courage and care)
efforts to the tune of 55,000 dead American sons and over a trillion
dollars in "military hardware" support. Much of that ended up in the
"enemies" hands when we hi-tailed it outa there. Hmmmm....wonder
where that trillion went anyway, you know - which bank accounts. I
guess the price of napalm is just WAY beyond my scope of
comprehension. Who makes that wonder weed burner anyway? Just think
what that patent's worth!!!!
And maybe that Zapruder film showing the FRONT of Kennedy's head
blown off does prove that modern physics is a charade, and that he
WAS shot from behind by an essentially obsolete bolt-action rifle
with no scope that couldn't possibly have fired four shots in 3.4
seconds, particularly when the "marksman" was witnessed drinking a
Pepsi two floors down at the moment (of course Oswald may well have
had a twin - something the "government may have thought too sensitive
to reveal to a grieving and horrified public at the time.) BTW - A
world-class expert rifleman did test fire the same model rifle and
was able to (very inaccurately, I might add from a comparable) get
off four shots in 9.8 seconds or so - so maybe, just maybe it was a
once in a lifetime fluke. Imagine, Oswald as James Bond, or something
like that. Capable of doing the impossible under the most pressing
(read: ridiculous) circumstances.
Then again, just think of it! We'll all get to see the "sealed" (for
the protection of the American public, of course) documents that
tell, as Paul Harvey would say, "the rest of the story" in 2030. Yep,
that is the date that is mandated to unseal them. Wonder why none of
the past eight President's have demanded this preposterous
declaration be overturned. Do you think ANY of them have REQUESTED a
little peak (oh please, please, I won't tell anybody). So never
fear, we'll all know - those of us who aren't dead by then - finally,
who really initiated the COUP. Of course they'll all be dead by then
too. How convenient. But hey, we wouldn't want to ruin their
otherwise stellar careers, or embarrass their families now, would we?
Then there's Watergate...how about the Oklahoma bombing. An
"air-impaction" bomb (think of it as shaking up a can of coca cola
and then opening it in your startled friend's face. An air-impaction
bomb does just that - utilize the impact of compressed air. Can it do
damage? Of course. It could easily blow out windows in a large
building, even kill a passing bystander or two (given enough nitrous
oxide, which is the common chemical of choice apparently - you know -
fertilizer). Can it snap in half (at their apex, in the basement of
the building no less) two out of three state-of-the art, multi-ton,
tornado-proof girders? Never in a trillion years. But wait, I
forgot: the laws of physics are irrelevant here - if our "leaders"
say it's so, it's so damn it!
But then again, we'll never REALLY know and that's OK (no pun
intended). It must be, or President Bill (oral isn't sex) Clinton
wouldn't have given an inalterable executive order to have the entire
"eyesore" of a blown-up building brought down just thirty days after
the disaster.(Wonder who called him demanding that one?) Oh, well -
it doesn't really matter now does it? Apparently, our trusted,
wisdom-laden leaders felt that a legitimate investigation was totally
unnecessary - and hey, who am I to disagree with THEM. I keep
forgetting that they have OUR common security, protection,
well-being, happiness as their main concern in ALL things. Oh, I just
get warm, fuzzy goose bumps just thinking about it (I feel so totally
safe right now - thank you Washington.)
I could go on and on with my "theories", but then again, I really
couldn't. Because everything I've just discussed is facts (oh, those
ratty, trouble-makin' little facts).
<Kasey wrote> The truth, according to you would be The Christ.
<Franklin> What you are doing is intellectually dishonest here Kasey.
I'm sorry, but it is. You're allowing your emotions to dictate your
arguments to dismiss my very legitimate concerns regarding events
that HAVE happened, and seeking, as a conscientious human being to
discern, discover, uncover, demand answers regarding the cover-ups
concerning those events. I stated, as an afterthought at the end of
those concerns, my personal convictions regarding what can ultimately
be done in the face of the monumental "stone walls" erected to hide,
bury,those facts and the junkyard of misinformation force-fed to a
(for the most part) self-satisfied, lazy,lackadaisical public.
My inevitable answer to all of these treacherous events and the fact
that there is a MAJOR concerted, orchestrated cover-up going on which
may never be unravelled, happens to be one of spiritual dimension,
and thus (duh) conviction. That each of us must attempt to get
through this with whatever PERSONAL spiritual integrity we can obtain
and maintain. My path does happen to be Christ (not the
Christ-flavored, Babylonian brand "practiced" so "faithfully" by the
above-mentioned general public, but a personal, life-altering
decision. You purposefully misconstrue all of the pertinent
information preceeding that final commentary into one big - "oh, I
must know your "truth" in order to understand and rise above this"
type attitude - painting me and, by inference, my legitimate concerns
as those some narrow-minded, deluded bigot.
You are combining my representation of facts, and interest in
resolving undisclosed issues revolving around them with my own
personal beliefs in an attempt to discount the former in one fell
(and failed, I might add) swoop. This approach has a term (other than
argumentative fraud) called "logical fallacy". Since your somewhat
sinister approach leads me to question your familiarity with the
basic elements of logic, and it's time-tested rules for uncovering
fallacious reasoning, I will describe what you are attempting to
(subconsciously or otherwise) accomplish in layman's terms: It's
called "poisoning the well". Those more familiar with the concepts of
logic at this digest will know exactly what I am alluding to here.
<Kasey said> Well that just about closes the door on any Jew, Hindu,
Muslim, Buddhist, Homosexual, and any other group that views the
truth a bit different.
<Franklin> I don't view personal spirituality in terms of groups.
Your "groups" are simply vehicles for those who find comfort in
"numbers". Salvation by majority consensus. "If we all agree, it must
be right - hey we're all headed to heaven, or reincarnation or
whatever. Why? Simply because we all agree with each other"
(comforting,these "group" situations, aren't they? But then that's
exactly their appeal). And those tolerant, or "accepting" and "kind"
enough in other "groups" say, "well, their beliefs are totally
different than our concepts, but it's probably right also, or so many
wouldn't get together and agree, so it MUST be yet another viable
alternative." How sweet. How tolerant. The trouble is, that a lot
of these "groups" AREN'T all that tolerant - or hadn't you noticed?)
Either way it's all a little too unappealing for me. But then again,
I'm not necessarily the perfect candidate for unquestioning follower
status.
<Kasey> I am a firm believer in God.
<Franklin> Oh, really? Which Ones?
<kasey> However God is what I call the creator, some call him/her
other names, like Mohammad, Krishna, or Buddha. I too believe
Christ to be a messiah. Messiah meaning teacher.
<Franklin> I had no idea there were so many creators!!! No wonder the
world is such a mess. Maybe they should get together (they must all
still be alive, as they are "God(s) what I call the creator" as you
put it, and by definition the term God implies eternal) and come up
with one big blueprint that is consistent.
<Kasey> As you are interested in philosophy you know that Socrates
also willingly died for what he believed, I'm sure you've heard of the hemlock
society.
<Franklin> Do I discern some sort of ominous suggestion here? lol
<Kasey> So though I find your writings interesting, I find it is only an
opinion, not based in fact but interpretation.
<Franklin> Poisoning the well again Kasey, naughty, naughty. My main
writings involve horrific events that are factual and attempting to
ascertain the facts regarding the. My personal beliefs are what you
would be referring to as "interpretation". Two different donkeys
dear. (BTW - you finally admit that you find "wordy and empty
manifestoes" interesting, at least mine!) AHA, gotcha! No seriously,
I'm honored.
<Kasey, addressing Kakki >, you are giving factual information to
someone who is arguing opinion, and theory. It won't work, but great
effort.
<Franklin> Please Kasey, while I respect Kakki's apparently
unflappable "belief" (note my preferred choice of words) in the
propaganda that this is one great big open, honest land of liberty,
defending, the poor, downtrodden, ignorant and misled legions here
and everywhere else abroad through every means necessary (force of
course being preferable if at all possible, as it's by far the most
profitable) I must attempt to dissuade you from further encouraging
her wishful thinking. I generally prefer the concept of thoughtful
thinking preceding the wishful variety. But then again - that's just
another one of my "opinions".
I don't know you, but can honestly say I accept, enjoy (and would no
doubt like, should we ever meet) you both. Any charitable
reciprocation is strictly optional.
Franklin
- Re: njc Rebuttal on personal berating Franklin Shea
