On Sat, 5 Mar 2011, Frederik Ramm wrote:
If I judge this issue based on the ticket reports we get, than we have
only minor problems with this. And half of the reports ask to add
additional checks and not to remove some.
That's because you have created a perfect user nannying environment and
people react to that. It's an interesting challenge. Once you see that the
validator will complain about certain things in a multipolygon relation but
not about others, you immediately think: "Oh well it should actually also
complain about this, and that. And if someone does that together with that we
should warn them too. And..."
This is actually irrelevant. The Trac bug report system only catches these
people who are willing to report anyway. So the absolute count does not
say a lot (only compared to other reports), but the type of reports we get
is a useful measure.
I'm 100% sure that the people who ask for more checks are *not* those who
say: This error always happens to me and I'd really be happy if the editor
could tell me.
Well - Actually here you are wrong. One example is a person who wants the
coastline checks moved from OTHER to WARN level, as it still happens often
that coasts are destroyed.
These are the people who say "I really think the others should be told
to map like I do."
Very likely also this kind exists, but we aren't forced to agree to their
request.
So a note to these of you trying to convince me that we have a major
problem with validator: This opinion does not match the statistical data
that we have. Especially as validator had >80% installation count even
before it moved into core.
I'm not sure these statistics can be applied the way you apply them. How did
you measure installation count? How many of those were auto-installed through
I cannot measure installation count.
the Windows installer which AFAIK bundled the validator with JOSM? At that
Yes. Sure. And exactly this invalidates the opinion that moving validator
into core changed the situation. Effectively it has been a de-facto core
component for a long time now.
time, was the validator already set to validate before uploading by default?
This is default as long as I'm involved in JOSM development.
How has the number and extend of checks be changed between then and now? Etc.
The number of tests has been increased. The number of tests the users sees
in default settings has been decreased a lot.
Whether you and others like it or not - The opinion expressed on
mailinglists like this (and talk-de and others) is not equal to the
real-world. Thus I do not base my judgment on these discussions, but I try
to find better data. And if that data shows me a totally different view,
then I'm very sceptical.
Software users aren't that dumb as most want to tell me. They are
usually much more flexible that most of you seem to assume.
P.S. That doesn't mean there shouldn't be improvements in this area.
Ciao
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