Hi Joynetters, Again i would like to state that let us be cautious when we quote scripture.. Let us not quote for quoting sake.. and let us not quote with out understanding the meaning and context of the text.. Since it leads to confusion and fear among those who read ur mails.. Suicide is a sin against God because God has given us the stewardship of this body and our lives and not the ownership of it. It is Mortal Sin. Sin is commited against God and God is the final authority to decide whether he has to forgive or not forgive..Let us not try to limit or quantify the mercy of God. The Passage from 1Peter 3:18-4:6 has a specific context. It is meant as an exhortation to Christians especially those who are persecuted to keep the faith and remember that christ has triumphed over death and that in baptism they have been cleansed from sin just as during the flood it is shown that the earth was cleansed of all sinful people.. With God all things are possible..Let us assume the fact that god shows them his mercy in a way we dont know.. So let us keep Suicide victims in our prayers.. So that they may keep usin their prayers at out time of death.. Love and Prayers Ravi "JASON:)" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Dear Alfred Samji and Dear JYs
Reading Alfred's mail to my query was really inspiring. However I find some of these points relatively new to me. Maybe cause I have never come across any teaching on them. Take for example Alfred quoting 1 Peter 3:18 to 4:6 stated that God preaches to those who are already dead so that they might live in obedience to God in their lives as spirits. In short they are given another chance to be in God's fold. This is really new to me. Also quoting Mt:12:32 There is a reference to a World to Come. Now I do know that some denom like the Jehovahs really quote this part fluently. So what is this Comin World that Jesus Speaks about. Now when I had queried about Suicide in another list, these are some of the replies I got. 1. Suicide is murder and since your dead when you commit the sin you can't ask for forgiveness... 2. Suicide is a question that must be left to God to judge. Medical scientists tell us that the brain lives for perhaps four or five minutes after the body dies; you can do a LOT of praying in that time. However, only God will judge anyone anyway. We can 'settle the question' for ourselves by believing in Jesus, but it is presumptious to attempt to condemn OR excuse anyone else. God alone knows their heart. 3. The question ask about suicide is a very good one. Some time ago I was called to the psyco ward at a local hospital. A young man had attempted to take his own life.I ask him if he had ever given his life to God, and he said he had.I told him that he would have had to take his life back from God's hands in order to destroy it. A few days later his mother came to see me at the church. She thanked me, and She told me that because of what I had said to her son, he would never again attempt suicide. Sometime later he died in an automobile accident. urs in faith Jason Mumbai ================================================ If you don't want the fruits of sin, stay out of the devil's orchard. ----- Original Message ----- From: Alfred Samji To: Sent: Monday, July 15, 2002 6:44 PM Subject: Fwd: Re: Re: [JOYnet] Suicide : A Query (My comments) > Hi friends, > Just wanted to put up my comments on this subject. We all know that suicide > is a sin. Killing whether it be of self or of another person of course is > condemned in the 10 commandments. The point now is whether praying for a > dead sinner makes any difference to the salvation of that person. In Matt > 12:32 Jesus Himself tells of an afterlife where sins will be forgiven. He > talks of two worlds where sins will be forgiven i.e. 'in this world' and > 'the world to come'. > > [M't:12:32: And whosoever speaketh a word against the Son of man, it shall > be forgiven him: but whosoever speaketh against the Holy Ghost, it shall not > be forgiven him, neither in this world, neither in the world to come.] > > This clearly depicts of another world after the death of a person, where > sins can be forgiven i.e 'the world to come'. > > We also have proof in 1 Peter 3:18 to 4:6 where Peter from 3:18 goes on to > 4:6 and tells of how Christ after being killed on the cross visited the > 'spirits in prison' i.e the spirits of those who were disobedient in the > days of Noah. It is said that Christ went to them and preached the gospel to > them so that in their life as spirits they might 'live according to God in > the spirit'. > > [1Pe:3:18: For Christ also hath once suffered for sins, the just for the > unjust, that he might bring us to God, being put to death in the flesh, but > quickened by the Spirit:19: By which also he went and preached unto the > spirits in prison;20: Which sometime were disobedient, when once the > longsuffering of God waited in the days of Noah, while the ark was a > preparing, wherein few, that is, eight souls were saved by water. > 1Pe:4:6: For for this cause was the gospel preached also > to them that are dead, that they might be judged according to men in the > flesh, but live according to God in the spirit.] > > This again depicts a world where God preaches to those who are already dead > so that they might live in obedience to God in their lives as spirits. In > short they are given another chance to be in God's fold. > We read in Genesis of how big the sins of those people spoken of here were. > > In the context of the Rich man who came to Jesus we see Jesus first telling > of how difficult it is for the rich to enter the kingdom and later goes on > to say 'With men this is impossible; but with God all things are possible.' > (M't:19:23 to 26). Our God is a loving God. His likeness is that of love. He > is full of mercy and compassion and it is solely because that He loves us > that He sacrificed His only Son on the cross to save us, to make us part of > His family. > > Our loving Father will not turn down an appeal for mercy by one of His own > children for another. Praise the Lord. > > > > Regards in Christ, > > Samji / Dubai ================================================ If you don't want the fruits of sin, stay out of the devil's orchard. ----- Original Message ----- From: Jason Herbert To: Sent: Saturday, July 06, 2002 9:40 PM Subject: [JOYnet] Suicide : A Query > Dear JYs > > We have recently read the 2 Part mails of Father Thomas on whether Sucide is > a Sin or not. It was really a wonderful sharing. I had recently been for a > Retreat. There the Priest had mentioned that a Person committing Suicide is > as good as Handing over ur Soul to the Satan. > > My Question is : Considering that a person commits Suicide and knowing that > his Soul is as good as lost. Is then fruitful then praying for his Soul or > would it be waste to do so > > Please note i am not saying that it is waste to pray for any1. But > considering in this case of suicide or like euthanasia whatever the case may > be would it be fruitful then to pray for that soul. > > I would really love ur views on this. > > urs in faith > > Jason > Mumbai > > _________________________________________________________________ > Chat with friends online, try MSN Messenger: http://messenger.msn.com > > **************************************************************** > This mail is generated from JOYnet, a Jesus Youth mailing list. > To unsubscribe, send a mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] > To subscribe to this mailing list, visit > http://www.jesusyouth.org/joynet > For automatic help, send a mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] > In case of any issue related to the mailing list contact > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > **************************************************************** **************************************************************** This mail is generated from JOYnet, a Jesus Youth mailing list. 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