Hi, Ricardo...

I haven't complained about anyone's criticism of the "tutorial" aspect
of what has been presented...it's the "what-good-is-this" mentality
concerning what Adrian had created that I thought was in poor taste.

My mention of tutorials was to remind everyone that this was obviously
the first steps for someone working on a project.

No faster way to kill someone's enthusiasm than to simply tear something
down without any encouragement.

It's like I tell my kids... you can't applaud the effort if not the
performance.  And, if asked, give encouraging criticism.

Rick

> -----Original Message-----
> From: jquery-en@googlegroups.com [mailto:jquery...@googlegroups.com] On 
> Behalf Of Ricardo Tomasi
> Sent: Tuesday, December 16, 2008 3:29 PM
> To: jQuery (English)
> Subject: [jQuery] Re: Creating an OS Web Interface in jQuery (Part I)
> 
> 
> I have to agree with Alexandre. It's a nice demonstration of skill,
> but pasting hundreds of lines of code in boxes is not exactly
> 'teaching'. I bet most beginners would get lost pretty quickly with
> the code and end up just copy/pasting it. And for intermediate/
> advanced JS programmers this isn't very useful, as it is just a
> background with some drag & drop funcionality.
> 
> Before you say that "it's just the start" I'll have to point out that,
> despite it's simplicity, there are already many flaws:
> - the text below the icons is selectable (and gets selected on double
> click)
> - same goes for 'start' and the clock
> - cursor for dragging is a 'text selection' cursor
> - with just a little fiddling with the icons you'll get unrequested
> copies of them sitting around from failed drag&drop operations
> - you can drag icons off screen and lose them forever
> - icons can overlap and have an arbitrary z-index which you can't
> control or reorganize
> 
> This is just *so* far from something functional and useful that the
> "tutorial" title can be considered misleading.
> 
> However it's a very nice demonstration of how jQuery makes it very
> easy to mock up something that looks and reacts (at first look) pretty
> much like an OS GUI.
> 
> Sorry if I'm being harsh, but everyone is entitled to an opinion :]
> 
> - ricardo
> 
> On Dec 16, 6:05 pm, "Alexandre Plennevaux" <aplennev...@gmail.com>
> wrote:
> > Rick, I read the tutorial in its entirety before commenting. This
> > document lacks structure and not only that, I could have pointed the
> > many english mistakes, because obviously this was written quite fast,
> > and i'm sure with a little more care and some more mindset framing, it
> > should be perfect. I don't know what you consider a tutorial, but as
> > for me, a tutorial means something meant to teach. In this document,
> > adam shows obvious skills, but does not teach, hence i'd call this a
> > demo.
> > I meant to be constructive because he shows a lot of enthusiasm and
> > that's his strength. But telling him this "tutorial" is perfect won't
> > help him improve, nor the jquery community as a whole.
> >
> > hope this helps clarify my comments.
> >
> > Best,
> >
> > Alexandre
> >
> > On Tue, Dec 16, 2008 at 8:53 PM, Rick Faircloth
> >
> > <r...@whitestonemedia.com> wrote:
> >
> > > Just take it on face value... did you even look at it?
> > > It's obviously an operating system interface.  And, yes,
> > > this is Part 1 of a series, he stated.  You don't have to
> > > know everything right away to appreciate what's already been done!
> >
> > > Rick
> >
> > >> -----Original Message-----
> > >> From: jquery-en@googlegroups.com [mailto:jquery...@googlegroups.com] On 
> > >> Behalf Of donb
> > >> Sent: Tuesday, December 16, 2008 2:22 PM
> > >> To: jQuery (English)
> > >> Subject: [jQuery] Re: Creating an OS Web Interface in jQuery (Part I)
> >
> > >> I may seem a bit dense, but what's the objective here?  And is 'OS'
> > >> Operating System, Open Source, something else?  Maybe Part 2 clears
> > >> all this up, but some intro/background would help a lot.
> >
> > >> On Dec 16, 7:57 am, AdrianMG <yens...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > >> > Finally here you have the First Part of this series of tutorials to
> > >> > recreate an OS Web Interface with our lovely jQuery javascript
> > >> > library.
> >
> > >> > Here you have the link guys, I hope you can use it for your personal
> > >> > projects:
> >
> > >> >http://yensdesign.com/2008/12/creating-an-os-web-interface-in-jquery-...

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