As far as I'm concerned, this forum should be a way to contact them. I am
extremely disappointed by their unresponsiveness to the concerns raised
here.
Scott
-----Original Message-----
From: Kirkdorffer, Daniel <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Date: Tuesday, March 23, 1999 9:52 PM
Subject: Re: 1.0 Spec First Quarter?
>Why don't those of you wondering how to keep convincing management to use
>JSP contact the developers of the americancentury.com website. I can't
>believe convincing a financial institution like American Century was a push
>over, but they obviously were able to.
>
>0.91 provides the basic functionality, and more. If companies can provide
>servlet engines that support JSP at 0.91, and if these engines do the job,
>then simply indicate 0.91 is basically a 1.0 and 1.0 will basically be a
>1.1.
>
>Let's not kid ourselves. Just because someone stamps a product 1.0 doesn't
>mean it is perfect either. I want to see 1.0 just as much as everyone, but
>the issue has been discussed a number of times previously, and SUN has
>responded before that it will be mid-Spring. Complaining about that here
>serves little purpose now. Why not contact them directly instead?
>
>Dan
>
>> ----------
>> From: Hisham Shahtout[SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
>> Reply To: Hisham Shahtout
>> Sent: Tuesday, March 23, 1999 4:20 PM
>> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>> Subject: Re: 1.0 Spec First Quarter?
>>
>> I agree with you. Sun better finalize the spec. soon. 1.0 does not have
to
>> be
>> perfect, flexible
>> or complete. Just provide the basic functionality so that developers can
>> go their
>> managers and
>> convince them to use JSP instead of always bumping in the argument that
>> JSP is
>> not finalized
>> yet!
>>
>> regards
>> -Hisham
>>
>> Ben Engber wrote:
>>
>> > > There are at least three commercial implementations of JSP.
>> JRun,
>> > >ServletExec, and WebSphere. All three of them provide excellent
>> support if
>> > >there is a problem and rarely (not "usually") use the excuse that "it
>> has
>> > >not been finalized
>> > > yet!" All three provide support for the 0.91 spec, and some
>> (such
>> > >as JRun) are providing 0.92 support as well. The implementations are
>> robust
>> > >and very usable. The JSP is portable between the platforms (as long
as
>> you
>> > >stick to the 0.91 spec) The tech support from all three platforms is
>> > >decent. It's not always great, but it's there.
>> >
>> > This may be true, but the response I get from Weblogic tech support is
>> > always "We're not going to start supporting JSP until the 1.0 spec is
>> out".
>> > And GNUJSP will stay at 0.91 until the final spec is out. And
Netscape
>> > has (at times) given the same answer. Who knows what other vendors
>> > (NetDynamics?) are doing?
>> >
>> > The fact of the matter is that virtually all application server vendors
>> are
>> > "committed" to supporting JSP, but few currently support it. And when
>> it
>> > comes down to making a decision on an appserver, current JSP support is
>> not
>> > going to be a primary criterion (instead will be issues like
>> scalability,
>> > failover, distributed computing model, etc).
>> >
>> > By delaying the 1.0 spec, Sun has kept major appserver vendors from
>> > offering support, and kept developers from moving beyond the prototype
>> stage.
>> >
>> > Hell, they could release 0.91 again and call it 1.0, I don't care.
They
>> > just need to release something.
>> >
>> > -Ben
>> >
>> >
>>
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