Most of us are developers of some degree or other.
You know about what it takes to get a product to an acceptable
level of finality. So be it.
I agree with what Daniel Kirkdorffer said earlier.
Bill Woods
DBA, Network Management
Concentric Network Corporation
-----Original Message-----
From: Archie Russell [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Tuesday, March 23, 1999 9:18 PM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: 1.0 Spec First Quarter?
I tried to contact the jsp group via the feedback link on their web page;
I didn't hear anything back. I don't think the original date it was
supposed to come out was mid-spring. I haven't been on this list forever
but I've heard previously that it would come up at the beginning of
March.
-Archie
On Tue, 23 Mar 1999, Kirkdorffer, Daniel wrote:
> Why don't those of you wondering how to keep convincing management to use
> JSP contact the developers of the americancentury.com website. I can't
> believe convincing a financial institution like American Century was a
push
> over, but they obviously were able to.
>
> 0.91 provides the basic functionality, and more. If companies can provide
> servlet engines that support JSP at 0.91, and if these engines do the job,
> then simply indicate 0.91 is basically a 1.0 and 1.0 will basically be a
> 1.1.
>
> Let's not kid ourselves. Just because someone stamps a product 1.0
doesn't
> mean it is perfect either. I want to see 1.0 just as much as everyone,
but
> the issue has been discussed a number of times previously, and SUN has
> responded before that it will be mid-Spring. Complaining about that here
> serves little purpose now. Why not contact them directly instead?
>
> Dan
>
> > ----------
> > From: Hisham Shahtout[SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> > Reply To: Hisham Shahtout
> > Sent: Tuesday, March 23, 1999 4:20 PM
> > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > Subject: Re: 1.0 Spec First Quarter?
> >
> > I agree with you. Sun better finalize the spec. soon. 1.0 does not have
to
> > be
> > perfect, flexible
> > or complete. Just provide the basic functionality so that developers can
> > go their
> > managers and
> > convince them to use JSP instead of always bumping in the argument that
> > JSP is
> > not finalized
> > yet!
> >
> > regards
> > -Hisham
> >
> > Ben Engber wrote:
> >
> > > > There are at least three commercial implementations of JSP.
> > JRun,
> > > >ServletExec, and WebSphere. All three of them provide excellent
> > support if
> > > >there is a problem and rarely (not "usually") use the excuse that
"it
> > has
> > > >not been finalized
> > > > yet!" All three provide support for the 0.91 spec, and some
> > (such
> > > >as JRun) are providing 0.92 support as well. The implementations are
> > robust
> > > >and very usable. The JSP is portable between the platforms (as long
as
> > you
> > > >stick to the 0.91 spec) The tech support from all three platforms is
> > > >decent. It's not always great, but it's there.
> > >
> > > This may be true, but the response I get from Weblogic tech support is
> > > always "We're not going to start supporting JSP until the 1.0 spec is
> > out".
> > > And GNUJSP will stay at 0.91 until the final spec is out. And
Netscape
> > > has (at times) given the same answer. Who knows what other vendors
> > > (NetDynamics?) are doing?
> > >
> > > The fact of the matter is that virtually all application server
vendors
> > are
> > > "committed" to supporting JSP, but few currently support it. And when
> > it
> > > comes down to making a decision on an appserver, current JSP support
is
> > not
> > > going to be a primary criterion (instead will be issues like
> > scalability,
> > > failover, distributed computing model, etc).
> > >
> > > By delaying the 1.0 spec, Sun has kept major appserver vendors from
> > > offering support, and kept developers from moving beyond the prototype
> > stage.
> > >
> > > Hell, they could release 0.91 again and call it 1.0, I don't care.
They
> > > just need to release something.
> > >
> > > -Ben
> > >
> > >
> >
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