Let me add two cents here from my perspective of coming from servlets, and
being a big proponent of MVC as we have HTML jockeys who are great page
designers but NOT programmers, and being disturbed about the necessity of
outputing HTML from servlets or using "fringe" technologies like shtml, etc.
I recently started using VisualAge Java, WebSphere App Server, and WebSphere
Studio and I can finally see the beauty and ease of how this all fits
together. JSP, through the strength of its widespread adoption, has made it
viable for companies like IBM to create these types of tools. In Studio, our
HTML jocks don't have to write all kinds of arcane Java code or use arcane
tags. They can design their pages visually as normal, plunking down
graphics, tables, changing fonts, etc. But they can also choose one of our
business components from a palette, such as our Customer object, drag it on
the page, and from there drag a property of that class onto the page as a
dynamic property. So they'd type in HTML "Welcome to our site " and then
plunk down the dynamic property Customer.getFirstName() just after it. By
using niche technologies you will never have open tools with this power.
So the graphics designer can work effectively, the component designers can
work effectively, and they can all work in harmony. Are there really that
many people, especially non-programmer graphics designer types, hand-coding
their HTML any more anyway? We all fine-tune by going to the HTML view, but
the initial layout is done visually.
There are other tools with this type of power that use template engines,
such as CF, but they are very proprietary in nature and we won't buy into
that. We almost bought NetDynamics two years ago but are glad we didn't for
this reason.
Bill Hines
Hershey Foods
-----Original Message-----
From: Jason Hunter [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Wednesday, January 26, 2000 6:06 AM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: New article: "The Problems with JSP"
Kevin Duffey wrote:
>
> Hi,
>
> Dang..I have to say, that was WELL put. I responded with what I
> figured was why JSP is superior, and you blew my response right
> off the map! :)
:-)
> I think J2EE is a "bigger" reason than others to use JSP.
Interesting. It doesn't really effect my decision since I just bundle
the webmacro.jar file with my app and it's available everywhere I need.
> This is my opinion. Doesn't mean its the right way.
Amen, brother!
Techniques for content creation on top of servlets are the hot area
right now. I'd like to see a good exchange of ideas on this front,
not a blind following of JSP.
-jh-
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