When did you last try to debug something in jdb?

The only feature of an IDE I like is the debugger ...

Also, Anybody know of any resources for integrating JSP with Dreamweaver?

----- Original Message -----
From: "John Edwards" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Tuesday, May 16, 2000 7:59 AM
Subject: Re: HTML editor

> Since you ask, Gary.....
>
> If you really must have an HTML editor I would look at Dreamweaver. *But*
> let's face it: HTML is not difficult and unless you really cannot live
> without GUIs then I suggest that a text editor is just as good and there
are
> many that are free to download - Ultraedit being my favourite.
>
> The problem with HTML editors - as with all IDEs [Integrated Development
> Environments] and I've seen my fair share - is that they encourage people
to
> be lazy and not to learn how to do things properly. There is a real risk
if
> you don't understand HTML source and you want to start incorporating JSP,
> PHP, JavaScript etc. that you'll find it a real struggle if you're used to
> using an editor. These are things which are beyond the scope of many
editors
> and the ones that do it generally do it badly.
>
> The same is also true of Java. You don't need expensive tools like
JBuilder
> or VisualCafe to write in Java. A simple text editor and the JDK will do
you
> just fine. In my experience it is often the case that the most experienced
> programmers are the ones who steer clear of IDEs  and that these tools are
> generally the preserve of more inexperienced programmers who (wrongly)
> believe that such tools will diminish the learning curve.
>
> So there you are, Gary. I hope you have discovered that there are no
> deficiencies in my mastery of the English language and I stick by original
> comment. Pithiness, in email, I consider a virtue.
>
> J.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Gary, Chelsea [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> Sent: 16 May 2000 15:43
> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Subject: Re: HTML editor
>
>
> So, do you have a better suggestion? Or were you just trying to impress us
> with your mastery of the English language?
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: John Edwards [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> Sent: Tuesday, May 16, 2000 8:44 AM
> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Subject: Re: HTML editor
>
>
> Homesite sucks.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Gary, Chelsea [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> Sent: 16 May 2000 14:41
> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Subject: Re: HTML editor
>
>
> HomeSite 4.5 is great.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Claire Ryan [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> Sent: Tuesday, May 16, 2000 8:34 AM
> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Subject: HTML editor
>
>
> Hello all,
> Could anyone recommend what html editor is the most sutiable to use for
the
> writing of JSP pages.
> thanks in advance,
> claire
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