Mr. Jay Hind,
I am sure that you will not abuse this mailing list further. One reason,
that you dont even know how to do IT :))
shuaib
----- Original Message -----
From: "Shah, Urvesh (CAP, GEFA Contractor)" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Tuesday, September 18, 2001 5:58 PM
Subject: Re: OFF TOPIC: Terrorist attacks
> This "cupid1" seems to be "stupid1" too. Inspite of so many people asking
to
> stop this thread he's still going on writing b.l.s..t.
> Guys, it is time that we (the JSP mailing list community) also unite and
> throw such people out of this mailing list.
>
> I am an Indian and after having read your email, many things came to my
mind
> too that I could've written against Pakistan but then there should be some
> difference between Sane and Insane people. People all over the world know
> better than believing what you wrote.
>
> Long live peace. Pardon me for this email.
>
> Jai Hind.
>
> ----Original Message-----
> From: cupid1 [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> Sent: Tuesday, September 18, 2001 2:10 PM
> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Subject: Re: OFF TOPIC: Terrorist attacks
>
>
> Milindi,
>
> YOU WISH!!!!
> Here are few other things that you forgot to mention about Pakistan:
>
> 1- When Indra Gandhi was in bed with communist Breznev and they were
trying
> to end the free and civilized society from the face of earth by spreading
> communism, It was Pakistan who stood up and became the last fort of the
free
> world. Pakistan fought, wounded and suffered but defeated the red army in
> the mountains of Afghanistan with the help of USA.
> USSR evaporated because of that great sacrifice that Pakistan made, but
USSR
> 's ally India would not swallow the defeat and keep badmouthing Pakistan,
> till today.
>
> 2- Because of the last week's great tragedy here, US turned again to
> Pakistan and Pakistan has always proven as Friend in need for the free and
> civilized world in that region and Pakistan is upto its responsible
> character always. India can not see and bear this since he has dark secret
> in Kashmir.
>
> 3- The oppressed people of Kashmir who are being killed, tortured, raped
and
> maimed by the Indian army look upto Pakistan as the torch bearer of
freedom
> and liberty. Pakistan will always voice the cries of oppressed people who
> are being strangulated by the state sponsored terrorism. That is not what
> India likes about Pakistan, so they wish they could erase Pakistan from
face
> of the earth.
>
> By the way do you remember cast system, the worst type of slavery, which
is
> imposed on a huge population of its own people by India? Is that the
> civilization you are taliking about?
>
> Do you remember that Ayodhiya mosque was demolished by the Indian to build
a
> Temple instead? Is it any better than Taliban demolishing the Buddha
> statues? Do you know that Christians, churches and priests are being
> attacked and killed in India every day even today? Is that your brand of
> civilization?
>
> Do you remember what happened to Sikh 's when Indian army attacked the
> Golden Temple? And do you remember what happened to Sikh's when Indra
Gandhi
> was gunned down? More than 5000 innocent Sikh 's were dragged from their
> homes, shops and schools and were butchered on the street of New Delhi,
> Bombay and all over the India. If that is your standard of a civilized
world
> than Pakistani rather be "UNCIVILIZED".
>
> Pakistan has been and will be a friend of the free world whether India
likes
> it or not. We are not perfect but we know what is right and what is wrong
> and we know how to stand up for what we believe in.
>
> shuaib
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
>
> From: Milind <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Sent: Tuesday, September 18, 2001 3:03 AM
> Subject: Re: OFF TOPIC: Terrorist attacks
>
>
> If the USA and the civilized world is serious about finishing terrorism
then
> it should focus on finishing Pakistan first.Taleban is a puppet real
culprit
> is Pakistan.Pakistan is a country which supports narcotics trade
> officially.In fact ISI runs on narcotics money.They have shielded
smugglers
> and thugs who ve ran away from India.They train terrorists from all over
the
> world.
> It's a biggest menace for the civilized world.
> Finish Pakistan and more than 80% of terrorism related problems would be
> solved.
> Milind
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: iZone <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Infotech
> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Sent: Tuesday, September 18, 2001 11:08 AM
> Subject: Re: OFF TOPIC: Terrorist attacks
>
> Great dear friend. The Coal calling the kettle black.
>
> Pakistan and terrorism. I do not want to match words with you because I
am
> talking peace. But the culprits of Mumbai serial blast which killed many
> people are safe in Karachi. Dawoon Ibrahim, the biggest smuggler and
killer
> of this region is safe in Karachi. Contrary to the Pak propaganda, many
> killings of the innocents in Kashmir is done by terrorists(as far as India
> is concerned) and Freedom Fighters (as far as Pakistan President is
> concerned), including the killing happened 2 days ago.
>
> I am not saying that India (as a country) is perfect. I am saying that
ALL
> kinds of terrorism is bad, including state sponsored or instigated
> terrorism. About giving right to choose, ARE YOU GIVING THE RIGHT TO SIND
> PROVINCE?
>
> About Pakistan joining/helping USA, well, you better do it or FACE THE
MUSIC
> from USA. Dear friend, DO YOU HAVE ANY CHOICE. You are not doing it
> because you like to eradicate terrorism. Moreover, your Military ruler is
> scared that he will be overthrown, if he helps USA. Your President is
> certainly NOT sitting in an envious position. Trouble is sure for you,
> either from USA or from Taliban. Both were your 'bed partners' till very
> recently.
>
> Leave it there. We must end violence. 'How' is the million dollar
> question.
>
> Best Regards,
>
> Dantus
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: cupid1 <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: iZone <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Infotech
> Sent: Monday, September 17, 2001 8:54 PM
> Subject: Re: Re: OFF TOPIC: Terrorist attacks
>
> Any one thought of what happened to the super powers who entered
Afghanistan
> in the past? That was the beginning of the end for them. Remember USSR,
> remember GB? I am afraid that US is preparing to make the same mistake
that
> other super powers made before. Let me put it this way, will US ever try
to
> send its forces to Vietnam again? And trust me, Vietnam will seem like
minor
> league comparing to Afghanistan.
>
> Afghanistan is not raid-able in military sense because of its terrain and
> people. The terrain is so hostile that only Afghan people has to learn how
> to live there. People are so fierce and independent that they never
> surrender to foreign powers. They don't have armies because every one is
> fighter including women and children. They might not have bread to eat but
> they all own AK47. Fighting is part of their culture like cock tail
parties
> is part of western cultures. When they don't have any foreign power to
fight
> with, they start fighting with each other. I am afraid that once US forces
> are there, they might control couple of cities like USSR did but then they
> might suffer heavy causalities. Once they commit themselves they will not
be
> able to get out from there for years and that will cause them more
> causalities. Is it worth to put more men and women of US army at risk? NO.
> Please look some other ways then war.
>
> One more thing, US suddenly falls in love, again, with Pakistan. As in the
> past, Pakistan is on US side again. Pakistan was with USA when cold war
was
> raging and the Russian tanks rolled into Kabul and the free world was
> menaced by the red army. India's Indra Gandhi was (figuratively speaking)
> in bed with Brezneve of Moscow. China and Iran were hostile to USA and it
> was only Pakistan who sided with USA and stood up to be the front line for
> all the free world. Together we defeated the USSR and saved the world from
> the communism. Then suddenly USA left and Pakistan was encountered with
the
> problems of aftermath of the war with Red Army. But it was ok because we
> sided with USA because of ideas of freedom that we shared with USA. It was
> not that we wanted to please any one rather it was our believes that we
> fought for. We are suffering for that and countries like India are
> badmouthing us. India never valued idea of freedom and justice. Siding
with
> communism, suppressing the huge population of its own with cast system,
> which is worse than slavery, refusing to give Kashmir people right to
choose
> and terrorizing them with guns, rapes, jails and torture of all kind,
having
> a close economy which is a strip down version of socialism.
>
> Once again it is Pakistan who is standing side by side with USA to fight
> terrorism because as a nation we don't condone terrorism and killing
> innocent people like being killed in Kashmir, USA and elsewhere.
>
> shuaib
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: iZone Infotech <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Sent: Monday, September 17, 2001 5:21 AM
> Subject: Re: OFF TOPIC: Terrorist attacks
>
> I agree completely with your Afgan friend. It talks about the same thing
as
> I said earlier. If America has the power what they claim, it should
capture
> or eliminate Bin Laden and Taliban and not the poor Afgan people. The
people
> of Afganistan are equally victims of Taliban. Otherwise it will be a
> repetition of IRAQ. Please remember, the people of IRAQ are still
> sufferering but Saddam Hussain is having a ball. And the people of both
the
> countries are innocent, even more innocent than the people of America
> because in America the President does what the people want. So, the
people
> have got a collective responsibility to the actions of the government.
That
> is not the case with Iraq and Afganistan.
>
> Let's not kill more innocents.
>
> Peace is everlasting. Violence brings more violence and there is no end
to
> it.
>
> Somebody should forward the email of the Afgan friend to the President of
> America.
>
> JOIN TOGETHER FOR A PEACEFUL CO-EXISTANCE.
>
> D. Joseph
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: John Neil N. Sangalang <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Sent: Monday, September 17, 2001 1:04 PM
> Subject: Re: OFF TOPIC: Terrorist attacks
>
> JUST WANT TO FORWARD THIS MESSAG FROM AN AFGHAN......
>
>
>
> > Dear Colleagues,
> >
> > As we reflect upon the tragic events of this week and an
> > appropriate "response," I thought you might like to see this
> > letter from my college roommate, Tamim Ansary, who grew up
> > in Afghanistan. I think he offers an interesting perspective
> > on Bin Laden, the Taliban, and Afghanistan.
> >
> > Toivo Kallas
> > Department of Biology & Microbiology
> >
> > Date: Thu, 13 Sep 2001 10:14:27 -0700
> >
> > Dear Friends,
> >
> > Yesterday I heard a lot of talk about "bombing Afghanistan
> > back to the Stone Age." Ronn Owens, on KGO Talk Radio
> > allowed that this would mean killing innocent people, people
> > who had nothing to do with this atrocity, but "we're at war,
> > we have to accept collateral damage," and he asked, "What
> > else can we do? What is your suggestion?" Minutes later I
> > heard a TV pundit discussing whether we "have the belly to
> > do what must be done."
> >
> > And I thought about these issues especially hard because I
> > am from Afghanistan, and even though I've lived here for 35
> > years I've never lost track of what's been going on over
> > there. So I want to share a few thoughts with anyone who
> > will listen.
> >
> > I speak as one who hates the Taliban and Osama Bin Laden.
> > There is no doubt in my mind that these people were
> > responsible for the atrocity in New York. I fervently wish
> > to see those monsters punished.
> >
> > But the Taliban and Ben Laden are not Afghanistan. They're
> > not even the government of Afghanistan. The Taliban are a
> > cult of ignorant psychotics who captured Afghanistan in 1997
> > and have been holding the country in bondage ever since. Bin
> > Laden is a political criminal with a master plan. When you
> > think Taliban, think Nazis. When you think Bin Laden, think
> > Hitler. And when
> > you think "the people of Afghanistan" think "the Jews in the
> > concentration camps." It's not only that the Afghan people
> > had nothing to do with this atrocity. They were the first
> > victims of the perpetrators. They would love for someone to
> > eliminate the Taliban and clear out the rats nest of
> > international thugs holed up in their country. I guarantee
> > it.
> >
> > Some say, if that's the case, why don't the Afghans rise up
> > and overthrow the Taliban themselves? The answer is, they're
> > starved, exhausted, damaged, and incapacitated. A few years
> > ago, the United Nations estimated that there are 500,000
> > disabled orphans in Afghanistan--a country with no economy,
> > no food. Millions of Afghans are widows of the approximately
> > two million men killed during the war with the Soviets. And
> > the Taliban has been executing these women for being women
> > and have buried some of their opponents alive in mass
> > graves. The soil of Afghanistan is littered with land mines
> > and almost all
> > the farms have been destroyed . The Afghan people have tried
> > to overthrow the Taliban. They haven't been able to.
> >
> > We come now to the question of bombing Afghanistan back to
> > the Stone Age. Trouble with that scheme is, it's already
> > been done. The Soviets took care of it . Make the Afghans
> > suffer? They're already suffering. Level their houses? Done.
> > Turn their schools into piles of rubble? Done. Eradicate
> > their hospitals? Done. Destroy their infrastructure? There
> > is no infrastructure.
> > Cut them off from medicine and health care? Too late.
> > Someone already did all that.
> >
> > New bombs would only land in the rubble of earlier bombs.
> > Would they at least get the Taliban? Not likely. In today's
> > Afghanistan, only the Taliban eat, only they have the means
> > to move around. They'd slip away and hide. (They hae
> > already, I hear.) Maybe the bombs would get some of those
> > disabled
> > orphans, they don't move too fast, they don't even have
> > wheelchairs. But flying over Kabul and dropping bombs
> > wouldn't really be a strike against the criminals who did
> > this horrific thing. Actually it would be making common
> > cause with the Taliban--by raping once again the people
> > they've been raping all this time
> >
> > So what else can be done, then? Let me now speak with true
> > fear and trembling. The only way to get Bin Laden is to go
> > in there with ground troops. I think that when people speak
> > of "having the belly to do what needs to be done" many of
> > them are thinking in terms of having the belly to kill as
> > many as needed. They are thinking about overcoming moral
> > qualms about killing innocent people. But it's the belly to
> > die not kill that's actually on the table. Americans will
> > die in a land war to get Bin Laden. And not just because
> > some Americans would die fighting their way through
> > Afghanistan to Bin Laden's hideout. It's much bigger than
> > that, folks. To get any troops to Afghanistan, we'd have to
> > go through Pakistan. Would they let us? Not likely. The
> > conquest of Pakistan would have to be first. Will other
> > Muslim nations just stand by? You see where I'm going. The
> > invasion approach is a flirtation with global war between
> > Islam and the West.
> >
> > And that is Bin Laden's program. That's exactly what he
> > wants and why he did this thing. Read his speeches and
> > statements. It's all right there. AT the moment, of course,
> > "Islam" as such does not exist. There are Muslims and there
> > are Muslim countries, but no such political entity as Islam.
> > Bin Laden believes that if he can get a war started, he can
> > constitute this entity and he'd be running it. He really
> > believes Islam would beat the west. It might seem
> > ridiculous, but he figures if he can polarize the world into
> > Islam and the West, he's got a billion soldiers. If the West
> > wreaks a holocaust in Muslim lands, that's a billion people
> > with nothing left to lose, even better from Bin Laden's
> > point of view. He's probably wrong about winning, in the end
> > the west would probably overcome--whatever that would mean
> > in such a war; but the war would last for years and millions
> > would die, not just theirs but ours. Who has the belly for
> > that? Bin Laden yes, but anyone else?
> >
> > I don't have a solution. But I do believe that suffering and
> > poverty are the soil in which terrorism grows. Bin Laden and
> > his cohorts want to bait us into creating more such soil, so
> > they and their kind can flourish. We can't let him do that.
> > That's my humble opinion.
> >
> > Tamim Ansary
> >
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: iZone Infotech <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Sent: Monday, September 17, 2001 12:58 PM
> Subject: Re: OFF TOPIC: Terrorist attacks
>
> I'm a little late on this subject, but read the thread. Just a few points
> for everybody to think. Please, I am not taking sides.
>
> 1. How does somebody become a terrorist? For that matter even a petty
> criminal or thief? Do WE the so called civilized society has some
> responsibility towards it?
>
> 2. 'Taliban' is the product of America and Pakistan. I am sure that
> everybody knows it.
>
> 3. Bin Laden is the bi-product of Iraq operation by UN or rather US.
>
> So, who is to blame for the current situation?
>
> Now about innocents. In Kashmir (I am an Indian) people are killed by the
> same terrorist groups and the government of India is fighting this for the
> last so many years. Everybody, including America turned their back on us,
> till very recently when the same group became a problem for them also.
> Please remember that America, Pakistan and Taliban were friends till the
> other day.
>
> The people of Iraq DID NOT elect Saddam Hussain. The people of Iraq are
> equally victims of Saddam Hussain as the rest of the world. So why bomb
the
> innocents and have sanctions on them. Only the innocents are suffering
> there. Saddam Hussain still rules the country and eats good food and
lives
> in luxury. Are WE (UN and US) NOT responsible for those innocent deaths?
> Or, is it that innocents are found only in USA and such rich countries.
>
> I strongly condemn terrorism and violence. But all form of violence,
> including state sponsored.
>
> Let's not create terrorists....
> Let's not create criminals...
>
> Violence invites more violence. It is time to talk peace. I have read
> somewhere on the Internet that BinLaden team has access to nuclear and
> biological weapons. God save the world (USA, India, Israel and other
> countries). I have mentioned 3 countries because they are the biggest
> enemies of Bin Laden. I want peace and not WAR.
>
> I am an Indian and a Christian. Both Mahatma Gandhi and Jesus Christ
taught
> us to be non-violent. You can kill one Bin Laden, but it will create more
> Bin Ladens. So, that is not the end of the story but the beginning. We
must
> make sure that this world is a JUST one, with respect for all, so that
more
> Bin Ladens are not created. Otherwise America with all its might or the
> combined world power will not be able to do anything. Kashmir, LTTE in
> SriLanka, Chechniya are all examples.
>
> Stop Killing and Look for Peace. That is the only thing which is lasting.
>
> D. Joseph
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Yazid Mohaidat <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Sent: Saturday, September 15, 2001 12:51 PM
> Subject: Re: OFF TOPIC: Terrorist attacks
>
> As a proud human I think I have to answer you dear Karl. I believe that
> those people who commited this attack think in the same way of you !! Be
> sure my friend that everyone in this world is very proud of his nation and
> his history. We should respect every man proud of himself as a human and
> works for the sake of the humanity,,,,, and disregard those who think that
> they are the superior creatures, or the Gods of this world !! If we keep
> thinking this and disregarding the others, their relgions, and their
> thinking, then we should expect many other attacks like this or maybe
worse.
>
> Let's be beloving people, men and women, Muslims, Cristians and all the
> relegions !
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Karl Doane <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Sent: Friday, September 14, 2001 9:46 PM
> Subject: Re: OFF TOPIC: Terrorist attacks
>
> I know we should not contiue this but as a Proud AMERICAN, I feel that I
> need to respond. I have to disagree with these people who think we should
> apologize for dropping a Nuclear Bomb on Japan.
>
> Read your real History, not what the liberal bleeding heart media tells
you.
> 1. THEY STARTED THE WAR with a cowardly sneak attack on Pearl
> Harbor.
> 2. They tortured and executed our captured soldiers.
> 3. They tried to exterminate the Chinese and all the rest of
Asia.
> 4. They fought till the death and remember the kamakazie planes,
> they would not go quietly.
> 5. We would have lost probably a few hundred thousand soldiers by
> attacking their Homeland.
> 6. We would have had to kill just about every single Japanese
> person to take over Japan. I do believe that is more
then
> our A Bombs killed.
> 7. You win a war through Attrition, you have to kill so many of
> them that they say 'enough'
> 8 We could have dropped the A bomb on Tokyo, that would have
> killed a few more people.
> 9. I don't they have ever apologized for their acts.
> 10. Don't start something you can't finish, if they didn't want to
> suffer the consequences, they should have stayed on their
> side of the Pacific.
> 11. I do believe that we gave them quite a bit of help rebuilding
> their country along with Germany.
>
> As far as the terrorist a.k.a. slimy, cowardly low lifes, that once again
> sneak attacked us again. Why didn't they stand up like real men and fight
> us head on. No they have to attack a buch of innocent civilians, like
> babies and women. I guess they are too chicken to fight our military head
> on. Why, they are afraid of having a fair fight, that is why.
>
> I feel bad for the 99+% of the Islamic people who are good, hard working
> honest and righteous people. They have to live with the fact that people
> who come from their countries did what they did. They shouldn't be
ashamed
> because I know that this is not what they are like. We as good AMERICANs
> should treat these people with every right of freedom that we enjoy.
>
> People have said that we got what we deserved. Well, the next time
somebody
> like Iraq comes steamrolling over your countries, don't come looking for
> help. We bailed you out the last time otherwise I think Iraq would now
own
> the whole Middle East. You asked us to come over there, we did, and saved
> your butt and this is what we get in return. You will get what you
deserve
> next time.
>
> You can dance and gloat all you want but just like Japan found out a few
> years back, DON'T MESS WITH US. You can have you Holy War and all that
> stuff but remember you only won the first battle. We will win the war and
> we will DESTROY you. We are the BEST and STRONGEST country in the world
> (They don't call us a Super Power for nothing) and we will not stop until
we
> completely remove them from this great planet.
>
> If our country was so terrible and evil, then why do Hundred of Thousands
of
> people want to come to our country and become citizens????? You are just
a
> bunch of jealous people, who can't stand that we have progressed so far in
> such a short time (200+ years). In those short amount of years we went
from
> 13 colonies under the thumb of Great Britian, to the MOST POWERFUL NATION
IN
> THE WORLD. We are also the most ADVANCED and enjoy the most FREEDOM of
any
> country in the world. Where are you?? The last time I heard,
Afghanistan,
> is moving back to the caveman age.
>
> That's good, because if they don't hand over the loser, we will help them
go
> back there, except a little faster.
>
> That is enough of this rant, but the next time any country that hates and
> despises us, has a natural disaster, don't come looking to us for help.
Try
> to survive on your own for once.
>
> Some of you will say that I am just a crazed person, but this is called
> being an American. You attack one of us, I consider it an attack on all
of
> us. I realize that all the people who gave the ulimate sacrifce before
me,
> did so that I can live in this country. I love my freedom and will NEVER
> EVER apologize for what we did in defense of our country. If you don't
like
> how we handle situations, don't ask us for our help.
>
> When was the last time we went somewhere uninvited??
> Middle East - We were invited.
> Kosovo - Invited and did 75%+ of the fighting.
> Vietnam - Invited.
> Korea - Invited.
> Haiti - Invited.
> WWII - Japan attacked, We FINISHED it
>
> I am sure that you have heard the saying 'Hell has no fury like a Woman's
> scorn' Well guess what, LADY LIBERTY is ticked off and she is going to
open
> a can of whipa** on those low lifes. May God have mercy on their souls.
>
> AMERICA, HOME OF THE FREE!!!!
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Duffey, Kevin [ mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> ]
> Sent: Friday, September 14, 2001 1:22 PM
> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Subject: Re: OFF TOPIC: Terrorist attacks
>
>
> First, I see no reason why some oppose this discussion in this list,
mostly
> because I think a number of us in this list are almost like family. I have
> been on this list for almost 2 years, and I have seen a lot more too.
> Second, I have to say in defense to not posting this discussion on this
> list, of all the mailing lists I am part of, this is the ONLY list
actually
> talking about this, so most likely it is not appropriate. But this list
> covers people around the world more so than any other list I am on. I do
> however feel it is good to talk about this, and therefore, I am replying
> another thought I had the other day.
>
> I work in a small dot.com company and with me are a few co-workers from
> India. I am white, but I consider these co workers my brothers (and
sister)
> as I respect them very much. In the past couple of days they have taught
me
> some information about what has happened in India, and other parts of the
> world. The reason for my reply is it really bothers me to think that after
> 10's of thousands of people have died in India and other parts of the
world,
> nobody once got up and said "Let all of us Countries get together and
defeat
> this". But when it hits in the US, now it is ok to do this. Don't get me
> wrong..I am devastated and if I did not have children I would already have
> enlisted with the 100,000's of those doing so now. I am furious and feel
> nobody in their right mind should ever have done this not only to the US
but
> to ANY country. The point is, while I fully support full military
> retaliation, this should have been done a LOOONG time ago.
>
> I would like to finish by saying I really am disgusted that so many
> Americans are targeting local Arab and even Indian establishments. I have
a
> good friend who's brother has been beat up and in several fights already
> because he is Arabic. This is plain wrong. Period. We ALL need to bond,
> around the world, no matter what nationality we are or where we live, to
> wipe this out for good. Even saying that we all know it wont be possible
to
> wipe it out everywhere for good. But if somehow all the countries got
> together and said "Hey..you mess with us, we wipe you out. You mess with
> them, we wipe you out. You mess with anyone, we wipe you out. Period" and
> they would understand that no matter where they target, all countries
would
> get together and fight this problem, perhaps the incidents would diminish
or
> even disappear. I do recognize and even fear that there are still Cells
> operating in the US and other parts of the world, and that it is not only
> possible but more than likely that they will strike again soon during all
> this, and more US (and other countries) civilians will be harmed. I will
be
> the first to admit (and I have heard many many more like me) that I am a
> little fearful of certain Arabic looking men mostly because this whole
thing
> has brought about a severe uncertainty amongst the populations of not only
> here, but around the world. But I for one will not just arbitrarily attack
> or be biased against them unless there is reason to do so. I pray that we
> don't see Marshall Law declared and that we don't see anything close to
what
> happened to the Japanese in WWII.
>
> When all is said and done, we need to all come together as a world, not
just
> nationality or country, and rise above these outrageous acts. It will only
> be then that we can see anything close to world peace.
>
> Perhaps I am wrong in writing this, I apologize if I offend anyone. But
> after talking to a number of people via email, online chat, and in person,
I
> get the feeling a lot of people feel the way I do.
>
>
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Peter Choe [ mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> ]
> > Sent: Friday, September 14, 2001 9:35 AM
> > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > Subject: Re: OFF TOPIC: Terrorist attacks
> >
> >
> > but neither has japan ever apologized for their atrocities during the
> > war to this day and even their history books leave out this part of
> > their history. the US, however late and however hard they fought
> > agaisnt, has made some apologies and compensations to the japanese
> > americans they have interned during the war.
> >
> > and is you are not familiar with what atrocities the japanese
> > has done,
> > look into the rape of nanking and what they did with comfort women(sex
> > slaves) from korea.
> >
> > thus ends the history lesson for the day.
> >
> > Haseltine, Celeste wrote:
> >
> > > Sanjay,
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > The fact that we did drop nuclear bombs that killed and maimed many
> > > civilians is one that I am still ashamed of to this day as a US
> > > citizen. Nor am I proud that we as a nation have never
> > made a formal
> > > apology to Japan, as they have provided us for the bombing at Pearl
> > > Harbor. But as my father pointed out to me (he was 12
> > years old at the
> > > time of the attack on Pearl Harbor), it was the only way we
> > could bring
> > > an end to the war. The two atomic bombs that we dropped
> > on Nagasaki
> > > and Hiroshima were NOT a response to the attack on Pearl
> > Harbor. They
> > > were simply the most economic way AT THAT TIME, to bring to
> > an end to a
> > > war that did bankrupt all of Europe, and almost bankrupted
> > the United
> > > States.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Celeste
> > >
> > > ----Original Message-----
> > > From: Sanjay Gomes [ mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> ]
> > > Sent: Friday, September 14, 2001 11:09 AM
> > > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > > Subject: Re: OFF TOPIC: Terrorist attacks
> > >
> > >
> > > I am sorry for again writing offtopic but couldn't
> > resist a reply to
> > > this, I am neither a critic of the US nor a fanatic but ....
> > >
> > > ..the facts are
> > >
> > > The Japanese bombed the military targets in the Pearl
> > harbour , and
> > > in response the US dropped Nuclear bombs on two heavily
> > populated
> > > cities
> > >
> > > creating millions of civilian casualties for times to come
> > >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: Haseltine, Celeste [ mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> ]
> > > Sent: 14 September 2001 17:00
> > > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
<mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>
> > > Subject: Re: OFF TOPIC: Terrorist attacks
> > >
> > > To everyone on JSP Board.
> > >
> > > I apologize for filling up the board with another
> > response, and off
> > > topic at
> > > that. But I am so tired of hearing how we in American may have
> > > deserved a
> > > taste of what many in other countries have had to deal
> > with the last
> > > couple
> > > of days, that I had to respond to Isidoros. My
> > apologies to anyone I
> > > inconvenience on the board today.
> > >
> > > -----------------------
> > >
> > > Isidoros,
> > >
> > > I wanted to thank you for your expression of sympathy
> > for those of
> > > us here
> > > in the US who did loose family, loved ones, and
> > co-workers this past
> > > Tues.
> > > Fortunately for our company in Texas, all the employees of the
> > > company that
> > > we were working a contract with did manage to get out
> > of the World
> > > Trade
> > > Center Towers and are accounted for.
> > >
> > > What you say is very true. We vote people into office
> > in the US that
> > > reflect the majority opinion of whatever political
> > issues are at the
> > > forefront during the election process. We do hold a
> > great deal of
> > > world
> > > power in our hands, and we often do force our views of
> > democracy and
> > > justice
> > > onto other countries who cultures and views are
> > different. And, we
> > > may use
> > > our military muscle to protect our interests and the
> > interests of our
> > > allies, sometimes at the expense of the local people.
> > >
> > > So some of the hatred that has recently been directed at us is
> > > understandable. But it is NOT excusable. We are a country who
> > > believe in
> > > the rights of all free people to take up arms and fight
> > for what they
> > > believe in. But terrorism in ANY form is a cowardly
> > way to fight,
> > > and it is
> > > one that is without honor. Back when the Japanese bombed Pearl
> > > Harbor, they
> > > freely and openly wore their national symbols on their
> > planes, and
> > > their
> > > uniforms. And they admitted that they bomb us. Though
> > the result
> > > of their
> > > actions were no different than the results that
> > occurred on Tues in
> > > NY and
> > > Washington, DC, the Japanese were a people and country
> > with honor.
> > > They
> > > fought and died for what they believed in, and we in
> > this country have
> > > respected them from the day they signed the armistice, up to the
> > > present.
> > >
> > >
> > > The people behind the attack that took place on Tuesday
> > have refused to
> > > stand up and admit who they are. Because of this, many
> > Americans
> > > view their
> > > actions, and whatever beliefs they may hold that lead
> > them to the
> > > attack on
> > > Tues, in contempt. They are cowardly, and are a people without
> > > honor. In
> > > addition to the attack on US soil on Tuesday, these
> > same people have
> > > killed
> > > so many others in so many countries, that it is time that we
> > > globally take a
> > > stand and put a stop to terrorism once and for all. That is why
> > > NATO, and
> > > many other countries, including those who are openly
> > opposed to the
> > > US such
> > > as Libya, have joined the US in condemning what
> > happened on Tues.
> > > Whether
> > > this will eventually lead to military action or not,
> > it's hard to
> > > say. But
> > > this American is willing to cast a vote for military
> > action IF their is
> > > sufficient evidence regarding who was behind this
> > attack, and IF the
> > > person
> > > or persons responsible refuse to stand up for their actions and
> > > beliefs in a
> > > court of law (UN court or otherwise).
> > >
> > > Thank you again for your prayers, and continuing
> > praying that we as
> > > a global
> > > community can put a stop to terrorism once and for all without
> > > resorting to
> > > military action.
> > >
> > > Celeste
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: Isidoros Vacropoulos [ mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> ]
> > > Sent: Friday, September 14, 2001 1:48 AM
> > > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > > Subject: Re: OFF TOPIC: Terrorist attacks
> > >
> > >
> > > Good morning,
> > >
> > > I'm sorry that i use this list for telling my opinion about the
> > > terrible
> > > things that happened in USA. Whoever does not want to read this
> > > mail, he can
> > > just erase it. I don't think it is tiring to erase an email....
> > >
> > > I would also like to express my deep sorrow to the
> > citizens of the USA.
> > > Maybe there are fellow subscribers that may have lost friendly
> > > people or
> > > relatives.
> > >
> > > Secondly, i would like to say that i'm from Greece and
> > i'm a Christian
> > > Orthodox. After reading all these mails in this list, i
> > would also
> > > like to
> > > say my opinion...
> > >
> > > Noone in this earth has the right to feel happy for the
> > dead people
> > > and for
> > > all the destructions in the city of New York.
> > > N O O N E. Beyond religion, political beliefs and financial
> > > situation , we
> > > are all human beings and who are not given the right to
> > feel relief
> > > for some
> > > people who die, even if their political or religious
> > background is
> > > not the
> > > same to ours.
> > >
> > > On the other hand, noone has also the right to decide
> > an attack and
> > > kill
> > > innocent people.
> > > Whether you want it or not, the fellow subscribers that
> > come from
> > > the great
> > > countries, like USA,Germany,Great Britain and the other ARE
> > > RESPONSIBLE FOR
> > > THIS TRAGEDY TOO.
> > > Voting for presidents and people in high places in the
> > goverments
> > > who decide
> > > that they will bomb innocent people (YUGOSLAVIA,
> > AFRICA....) is not
> > > less
> > > responsibility than taking this decision. I want to
> > make clear that
> > > i'm not
> > > saying that USA got what it deserved....I don't think that human
> > > beings are
> > > the right beings to decide who has done wrong and who
> > has done right.
> > > I'm just saying that you are the one who voted for your
> > presidents.Your
> > > presidentd decided many bad things and attacks in the
> > near past (and
> > > noone
> > > can deny it) and these presidents made so many
> > countries,folks and
> > > people
> > > enemies of yours.
> > > What i'm saying is that you gave the right to some
> > people to hate you
> > > because you made attacks that shouldn't have happened.
> > > Whether you want it or not you hold the situation of
> > the planet in your
> > > hands. You can decide now what will hapen in my country
> > in the next 30
> > > years.If you ever understand the power that you hold in your
> > > hands.............
> > >
> > > Again, i want to express my deep condolences to the
> > families of the
> > > dead and
> > > wounded people,
> > > i'm sure that are deep religious people in my country
> > that will pray
> > > for
> > > you.
> > >
> > >
> > > Isidoros
> > >
> > > (P.S)
> > > I would like some fellow subscribers, especially from
> > USA, to judge my
> > > opinion.
> > >
> > > Thanx
> > >
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