The JCP is NOT mostly controlled by SUN as you claim. Simply navigate http://jcp.org and peruse the JSR's. You'll see many of the specification leads are non-Sun employees.
example: JSR 29 "JAIN MAP" is led by Ericsson, Inc. and the expert group consists of many different firms. heck, one JSR listed AOL (america on-line) as the expert group -- go figure...?? -----Original Message----- From: A mailing list about Java Server Pages specification and reference [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Michael Rozlog Sent: Wednesday, July 21, 2004 1:43 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: JSP Tools Actually, Java is not open. I don't mean to start a major fight, but the admission that Java is owned by Sun and the JCP is still mostly controlled by Sun and it has never been given to any standards committee in actuality makes it fairly closed. However, on the hand, Microsoft has submitted the .NET platform to ECMA standard body and it has a rival / open source competitor called Mono (owned by Novell) but still open http://www.mono-project.com/about/mono-roadmap.html. So from strictly a standards point of view .NET is technically more open then Java. By the by, isn't the fact that Sun sued Microsoft because it made a different version of Java, which to this day Microsoft has not sued the Mono project for porting the .NET platform to Linux also sort of a wake up call? Now as far as making changes to the frameworks in question, I have no doubt that the JCP is more open to the community then currently is available from Microsoft. However, Microsoft makes a great point, by stating that by them controlling the framework it will not have the bloat like Java, but we will have to wait and see... because as they add more features the .NET platform it will expand and may very well become bloated, just like Java is today. Mike ----- Original Message ----- From: "Lykins Don H Contr AFSAC/ITS" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Wednesday, July 21, 2004 12:49 PM Subject: Re: JSP Tools > don't get caught up in the .Net HYPE! > stick with a standards based approach that's more "open" than .Net. > > Realizing of course J2EE is still owned by SUN but controlled by JCP.org, but it is still more "open" than .Net > > still with open standards (J2EE) and open source! > > -----Original Message----- > From: A mailing list about Java Server Pages specification and reference > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of lee hwaying > Sent: Wednesday, July 21, 2004 12:47 PM > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Subject: Re: JSP Tools > > > i have started the state of art in developing MVC more than 1 month now > using > > tomcat, > java, > jsf > > and in comparison > asp.net > c# > > and found .net has great strength in competition as you can download asp.net > for free. it is a mature jsf in comparison, to get a paging done is faily > straight forward in asp.net. file uploads are a breeze. i wonder whether is > time to migrate to .net. As now you can get the .net framework for free as > well. and every pc come with personal web server. > > and one more thing, it is fairly the same price for the web hosting for > both. > > any thoughts? > > >From: John Smith <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > >Reply-To: John Smith <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > >To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > >Subject: Re: JSP Tools > >Date: Wed, 21 Jul 2004 09:59:41 +0100 > > > >Thank-you for the recommendation. I have been trying to get my head around > >JDeveloper over the last few days. It looks hopeful once I can master it. > >Once I have done that I shall download the trial and try JavaServer Faces, > >but > >I think that two at once will be too much! > > > >John > > > >----- Original Message ----- > >From: "Mark Roth" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > >Sent: Thursday, July 15, 2004 2:47 PM > >Don't forget about JavaServer Faces and the nice tools like Java Studio > >Creator: > > http://wwws.sun.com/software/products/jscreator/ > > > >Michael Rozlog wrote: > > > Look at JBuilder Developer > > > Visual Servlets, JSP, and Struts designers really lower the amount of > >code. > > > Plus, it has a nice integration with JUnit that helps with the unit > >testing. > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: "John Smith" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > Sent: Thursday, July 15, 2004 5:52 AM > > >>I use an Oracle database running on HP Unix. Currently I am working to > > > migrate all of the UI to web based, thus giving my PC support colleagues > >the > >thin > > >>client they would prefer! So far I have been using vi to create all of > >the > > >>server side scripts, but I can see a lot of work ahead. Now I get to > >the > > >>point! I've looked at a number of design tools but am stil at a loss as > > > to which would be the most suitable so I come to the list asking your > > > opinions. > > >>I am sure that you will each have your favorites ;-) but would you care > >to > > >>offer opinions as to what might suit my needs and what will not? 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