I second Nate's statement! On Thu, Mar 26, 2015 at 9:04 AM, Nate Finch <nate.fi...@canonical.com> wrote:
> I wanted to specifically thank you for pointing out the bugs that affect > you. It's a huge help in prioritizing what we work on. > > > > On Wed, Mar 25, 2015 at 5:24 PM, Merlijn Sebrechts < > merlijn.sebrec...@gmail.com> wrote: > >> Thanks for your answer! I didn't know Windows and Centos support was >> coming so soon, great to know! >> >> The lacking documentation is the biggest issue to me. The charm-helpers >> documentation is outdated in a lot of places and that makes it seem as it >> isn't being actively maintained anymore. Ofcourse, this is a side-effect of >> a rapidly expanding product... >> The charm-helpers documentation also lacks some good examples and >> "guidelines". Things like "What's the best way to create templates, What's >> the easiest way to get relation data, ..". The documentation shows you how >> to do it in bash, but is really lacking for python. I had a really hard >> time trying to decipher how the services framework works exactly. Then >> again, this is probably also partly due to the fact that I'm still learning >> my way around python. >> >> >> As for the bugs. I submitted/"affects me" a few: >> Critical: >> https://bugs.launchpad.net/juju-deployer/+bug/1434458 >> >> Medium: >> https://bugs.launchpad.net/charm-tools/+bug/1433035 >> https://bugs.launchpad.net/juju-core/+bug/1415176 >> https://bugs.launchpad.net/juju-core/+bug/1429790 >> https://bugs.launchpad.net/juju-core/+bug/1316174 >> >> Feature request: >> https://bugs.launchpad.net/juju-core/+bug/1432331 >> >> The saltstack charm-helpers integration also has few problems. I just >> gave up on it and wrote the install hooks in python. >> >> >> >> 2015-03-25 21:32 GMT+01:00 Nate Finch <nate.fi...@canonical.com>: >> >>> I'm a core dev on Juju, I can answer some, but not all of these >>> questions. >>> >>> First off, as far as long term commitment for Juju - Juju is a huge part >>> of Canonical's long term strategy... right up there with the Ubuntu Phone >>> and Ubuntu itself. The Juju team has been expanding hugely in the last >>> couple years... I forget exactly the numbers we're at now, but it's an >>> order of magnitude more people working on Juju than there were just a >>> couple years ago. >>> >>> Juju is used *extensively* internally at Canonical. We have a mandate >>> that all internal services be deployed via Juju. >>> >>> As far as supporting other operating systems, we actually do support >>> Windows, right now (though it can be a little tricky to set up, and >>> generally only works on private clouds, due to licensing restrictions on >>> distributing Windows images). See here: >>> http://www.cloudbase.it/windows-with-juju-and-maas/ (Cloudbase >>> partnered with us to get Juju working with Windows) >>> >>> Cloudbase is also currently tackling CentOS support. It currently works >>> and is just being cleaned up, it should be available for testing in a few >>> weeks. >>> >>> The number of features that have landed in the last year is tremendous - >>> high availability, networking, storage, major improvements in the GUI, >>> support for more clouds (Google Cloud Compute support is coming out with >>> 1.23, which is due any day now), Windows support, backup and restore.... >>> >>> As for bugs, there are bugs in every product, especially new and rapidly >>> expanding products, like Juju. If there are particular bugs that concern >>> you, we'd be happy to look into them. We try to make sure that we fix >>> anything that is a regression or would majorly hinder usage.... we do use >>> this internally after all, so believe me, we hear about it when things >>> aren't working well! :) >>> >>> I'm sorry you find the documentation lacking. We have been putting >>> effort into that recently. I, personally, am a big fan of extensive >>> documentation, and I know our documentation is not nearly as extensive as >>> it could be. >>> >>> I can't personally talk about big companies using Juju... I know we have >>> several very large companies doing very large installations, but I don't >>> think anything is public about that. Hopefully someone else can bring up a >>> list of people using Juju. >>> >>> Hope that answers at least some of your questions. >>> >>> >>> On Wed, Mar 25, 2015 at 4:01 PM, Merlijn Sebrechts < >>> merlijn.sebrec...@gmail.com> wrote: >>> >>>> Hi >>>> >>>> >>>> I'm interested in what the future of Juju is. From the small experience >>>> I've had with it, it seems like a product with a lot of potential. It fills >>>> a gap in our project that no other technology can fill. Its biggest >>>> strength is how relations between services are managed. This is something >>>> that, to my knowledge, does not exist in any tool today. It enables a very >>>> modular approach and solves a lot of problems we would have with other >>>> tools. >>>> >>>> However, I've also seen some things that worry me. Even after three >>>> years, there are still a lot of bugs in the project. The documentation is >>>> lacking, especially in the parts of Juju that are the most competitive. The >>>> community is also very small. The fact that it can still only manage Ubuntu >>>> servers worries me too. I could go more into detail here, but I don't think >>>> it is relevant to this question. >>>> >>>> I'm considering starting a big long-term project on top of Juju. The >>>> project would be very dependent on Juju, so I don't want to do this if >>>> there is a chance that Juju will be abandoned in 5 years... >>>> >>>> What can you tell me about the future of Juju? Things I'm interested in: >>>> >>>> - Big companies building services on top of Juju >>>> >>>> - Statements of long-term commitment from Canonical >>>> >>>> - Usage statistics >>>> >>>> - Statements of commitment to support other distro's >>>> >>>> - .. or else, signs that Juju doesn't have a bright future. >>>> >>>> >>>> Thanks >>>> >>>> -- >>>> Juju mailing list >>>> Juju@lists.ubuntu.com >>>> Modify settings or unsubscribe at: >>>> https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/juju >>>> >>>> >>> >> > > -- > Juju mailing list > Juju@lists.ubuntu.com > Modify settings or unsubscribe at: > https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/juju > > -- Alexis Bruemmer Juju Core Manager, Canonical Ltd. (503) 686-5018 alexis.bruem...@canonical.com
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