Good if Arnd provides the data, but here the link to my data in case it fails:
ftp://ftp.geo.uzh.ch/pub/sstein/data/u1_points.zip

an option to get one million points is to copy the 350k points and then to move them (if that works ;). Btw. the lascers can data have no attributes (may be therefore smaller than Arnd's; the covered area is relatively small < 200m)
(shapefile size is 30mb and zip xyz-ascii was 15mb)

stefan

Arnd Kielhorn wrote:

Hello Larry,

first of all, thank You very much!

I work with delaunay triangulation and building a 3D-Model with our plugin.

If we both could make a direct connection (via FTP or a free tool called teamviewer) I could sent You one file with laserscanning data with 1 million points (XYZ). It is about 30 MB in the PIROL-CSV format or about 100 MB as shape file.

Kindly regards
Arnd

Larry Becker schrieb:

I'm going to start investigating the point performance problem as soon as I get some test data. I have been trying to locate a large point dataset on the web, but no luck. Perhaps the best approach might be to add a new item to the Generate menu, "Random Points".

@Arnd: One thing that people often forget about JUMP is that rendering is a background process. You don't have to wait for it to finish to start the next operation. What kind of terrain maps are you generating? Are you generating contour lines from a grid of points? You mentioned deleting selected points being impossibly slow. I don't see why this should be so. If I can duplicate the problem, it should be an easy fix.

regards,
Larry

On 10/2/07, *Larry Becker* <[EMAIL PROTECTED] <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]>> wrote:

    HI Arnd,

      Would it be helpful to work around the problem by saving the
    points as a shapefile and using a utility like shp2tile to break
    the point data up into multiple files?

    see: http://imaptools.com/download-software.html

    regards,
    Larry


    On 10/2/07, *Arnd Kielhorn* < [EMAIL PROTECTED]
    <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]>> wrote:

        Hello Paul,

thank You for the tip with the z-value, but how I can use it as a
        z-value on the point itself?

        The file fomrat is txt, csv (from PIROL CSV-Format) like
        following example
        $Rechts    Hoch    heigh
        $grad    grad    m
        $double    double    double
        3434000.00    5800000.00     93.78
        3434001.00    5800000.00    93.84
        ...   ...   ...

        or the ESRI ascii grid format asc (reading plugin from SIGLE).
        The most files I got have 1 million points and such csv files
        have about
        30 MB.
        In my start file for OJ I got 768 MB, because I have 1 GB RAM.

        Kindly regards
        Arnd


        Paul Austin schrieb:
        > Arnd,
        >
        > What file format are you using?
        >
        > As JUMP loads the whole file into memory I would recommend
        setting the
        > heap size on the JAVA VM to be -Xmx512M if you are dealing
        with large
        > datasets.
        >
        > You mentioned that the height is an attribute on the feature,
        if you use
        > the height as a z-value on the point itself there will be
        some memory
        > savings.
        >
        > Paul
        >
        > Arnd Kielhorn wrote:
        >
        >> Hello Larry,
        >>
        >> as in the further discussion just named the main problema
        are (for
>> example I just have to work with point layers with only a heigh
        >> attribute but with 1 million points; but also e.g. 300,000
        points are
        >> enough):
        >> - (re)drawing of the points
        >> - strongly restricted or impossible operation (e.g. deleting
        some
        >> points/vertices after marking them; e.g. copying hundreds or
        a few
        >> thousand in a new layer to have layer with lesser points)
        >> Very often OJ hangs on and I have to restart it.
        >> I use such point layers for creating a digital terrain maps.
        >>
        >> Kindly regards
        >> Arnd
        >>
        >> Larry Becker schrieb:
        >>
        >>> Hi Arnd,
        >>>
>>> I haven't worked with large point datasets much. What it is
        >>> exactly that is slow?  Is it redraw time?  Or perhaps the
        particular
        >>> operation that you are doing?
        >>>
        >>>   I know that point layers do not benefit from the recent
        decimation
        >>> optimization, so they take longer to draw than equivalent
        polygons
>>> and polyline layers. I think Michaƫl tried a point decimation
        >>> optimization, but wasn't satisfied with the results.
        >>>
        >>> regards,
        >>> Larry Becker
        >>>
        >>> On 10/1/07, *Stefan Steiniger* < [EMAIL PROTECTED]
        <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>>> <mailto: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]>>> wrote:
        >>>
        >>>     mhm
        >>>     from my point of view it is both OJ and JRE. It would
        be probably
        >>>     better
        >>>     when the points are stored and processes in a database.
        >>>
        >>>     stefan
        >>>
        >>>     Arnd Kielhorn schrieb:
        >>>     > Hello,
        >>>     >
        >>>     > yes I know, first of all OJ is a GIS for vector data.
        But the
        >>>     > functionality is also very good for point datasets.
        But working
        >>> with
        >>>     > great point datasets (more 500,000 points) bring
        problems with the
        >>>     > memory and the garbage collector works not satisfied.
        Every
        >>>     command take
        >>>     > a lot of time or could not carried out. (CPU P4 2.4
        GHz, 1 GB RAM)
        >>>     > Is it only a thing of the JRE or also from OJ?
        >>>     > So, it is useful to know if there is a chance to
        increase the
        >>>     > performence of OJ in this case and what could be the
        possible
        >>>     milestones
        >>>     > to reach this aim?
        >>>     > I am very eager to read everyones opion.
        >>>     >
        >>>     > Kindly regards
        >>>     > Arnd
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