Doesn't look like the MX204 comes licensed with JunOS either. That adds what.. another $10k to the MSRP?
On Fri, Jan 5, 2018 at 10:30 AM, Edward Dore < edward.d...@freethought-internet.co.uk> wrote: > Yes, you can use 1G options in the 10GE ports, but there are only 8x 10GE > ports, so you aren’t going to get great density. It all depends on what you > need really. > > > > Juniper suggest that you can actually get 24x 1GE from the MX204 by using > 4-way breakout on the 4x 40GE/100GE QSFP+/QSFP28 ports. I’ve only seen that > done with 10GE, not 1GE, but presumably it must work given Juniper’s > interface density claims. > > > > Obviously you can also hook a switch up to one (or more) of those 10GE > ports to get better 1GE density via VLANs, but that comes at the cost of > losing the local termination of the physical interface. > > I’m not sure if the MX204 supports Junos Fusion yet, which would allow you > to use an EX4300 as a satellite device for terminating low speed interfaces > in a much more elegant manner. > > > > Edward Dore > > Freethought Internet > > > > *From: *Josh Baird <joshba...@gmail.com> > *Date: *Friday, 5 January 2018 at 15:16 > > *To: *Edward Dore <edward.d...@freethought-internet.co.uk> > *Cc: *"alexander.marh...@gmx.at" <alexander.marh...@gmx.at>, Juniper List > <juniper-nsp@puck.nether.net> > *Subject: *Re: [j-nsp] Understanding limitations of various MX104 bundles > > > > One could utilize the MX204's 10GE interfaces for 1GE as well, I suppose? > Is this a bad idea? > > > > On Fri, Jan 5, 2018 at 9:54 AM, Edward Dore <edward.dore@freethought- > internet.co.uk> wrote: > > The MX204 seems to be amazing value for money if it has the right port > combination for your workload (i.e. not great if you need lots of 1GE). The > RE is also significantly more capable than the somewhat underpowered one in > the MX104. > > > > I would be extremely hesitant about deploying a new MX104 today given the > poor CPU and relatively small amount of RAM on the RE. > > The RE CPU is also a PowerPC, which seems to be a bit of a dead end for > Junos with new development work seemingly focussing on x86 (last time I > looked, the MX104 is stuck on FreeBSD 6 and so has no SMP support despite > having a dual core CPU for example). > > > > We ended up going with the Cisco ASR 9001 instead of MX104 due to the poor > performance when converging multiple full BGP tables thanks to the > underpowered RE CPU and interesting design choices in rpd. > > We’re very happy with our ASR 9001 (although IOS XR isn’t as nice to use > as Junos), but if the MX204 had been available at the time, then we would > quite likely have ended up using them instead. > > There is an ASR 9901 “coming soon”, which might also be worth a look at > for new deployments. > > > > For our use case (border router terminating peering/transit), having dual > RE isn’t particularly important as we achieve our redundancy using separate > routers. YMMV. > > > > Edward Dore > > Freethought Internet > > > > *From: *Josh Baird <joshba...@gmail.com> > *Date: *Friday, 5 January 2018 at 14:42 > *To: *Edward Dore <edward.d...@freethought-internet.co.uk> > *Cc: *"alexander.marh...@gmx.at" <alexander.marh...@gmx.at>, Juniper List > <juniper-nsp@puck.nether.net> > > > *Subject: *Re: [j-nsp] Understanding limitations of various MX104 bundles > > > > I believe this is what we are finding as well, which is unfortunate. > Maybe we should look at the MX204 instead? Although, it's 2X the cost > (MSRP) and only has one RE. Thoughts? > > > > On Fri, Jan 5, 2018 at 9:18 AM, Edward Dore <edward.dore@freethought- > internet.co.uk> wrote: > > Beware the bundle upgrades on the MX104 – when we looked at these in 2016, > for some reason that our VAR couldn’t explain it was cheaper to just throw > the MX104-MX5-AC away and buy a brand new MX104-40G-AC-BNDL bundle rather > than purchasing the MX104-MX5-40G-UPG license. > > > > Edward Dore > > Freethought Internet > > > > *From: *Josh Baird <joshba...@gmail.com> > *Date: *Friday, 5 January 2018 at 14:08 > *To: *"alexander.marh...@gmx.at" <alexander.marh...@gmx.at> > *Cc: *Edward Dore <edward.d...@freethought-internet.co.uk>, Juniper List < > juniper-nsp@puck.nether.net> > *Subject: *Re: [j-nsp] Understanding limitations of various MX104 bundles > > > > Actually - come to find out (from my reseller), the MX104-MX5 package > gives you two MIC slots. Not sure if the "locking" is actually enforced or > not on the other two. > > > > Supposedly, the overall throughput of the chassis is also limited to > 20Gbps - again, not sure if this is enforced. > > > > Options for 10Gbps include purchasing a single MIC-3D-2XGE-XFP and > installing it in the one open MIC slot providing two 10Gbps interfaces or > purchasing MX104-MX40-40G-UPG to open two of the four built-in interfaces > while also bumping overall capacity of the chassis to 40Gbps. > > > > The S-MX104-UPG-* licenses to activate the 4X10GE fixed interfaces don't > appear to be usable on the MX104 bundle packages (like the MX104-MX5-AC). > > > > On Fri, Jan 5, 2018 at 4:34 AM, Alexander Marhold < > alexander.marh...@gmx.at> wrote: > > Hi ! > IMHO Edward is right with his assumption: > > Those are the available licenses for the MX104 > > Upgrade license to activate 2x10GE P2&3 > MX104 > S-MX104-ADD-2X10GE > > Upgrade license to activate 2X10GE P0&1 > MX104 > S-MX104-UPG-2X10GE > > Upgrade license to activate 4X10GE fixed ports on MX104 > MX104 > S-MX104-UPG-4X10GE > > License to support per VLAN queuing on MX104 > MX104 > S-MX104-Q > > Chassis-based software license for inline J-Flow monitoring on MX5, MX10, > M40, MX80, and MX104 Series routers > MX5, MX10, M40, MX80, and MX104 > S-JFLOW-CH-MX5-104 > > With best regards > alexander > > -----Ursprüngliche Nachricht----- > Von: juniper-nsp [mailto:juniper-nsp-boun...@puck.nether.net] Im Auftrag > von Edward Dore > Gesendet: Freitag, 5. Januar 2018 10:21 > An: Josh Baird; Juniper List > Betreff: Re: [j-nsp] Understanding limitations of various MX104 bundles > > > I believe that the MX104-MX5 bundle is supposed to be locked to only > allowing you to make use of a single MIC slot, like the MX5 version of the > MX80. As to whether or not that is actually enforced… > > Edward Dore > Freethought Internet > > On 04/01/2018, 18:34, "juniper-nsp on behalf of Josh Baird" < > juniper-nsp-boun...@puck.nether.net on behalf of joshba...@gmail.com> > wrote: > > Hi all, > > Given the MX104-MX5-AC bundle which comes with 1 20x 1GE MIC > pre-installed > (and none of the onboard 10Gbps interfaces enabled), is this box > actually > limited to 20Gbps overall throughput? > > Can I install another MIC (say the MIC-3D-2XGE-XFP) in an additional > slot > to gain 2 10Gbps interfaces without purchasing any additional > licensing? > If I do this, is overall throughput of the chassis still locked to > 20Gbps > (due to the original bundle)? > > I can't find anything (ie "show system license") that states there is > an > overall capacity restriction, but I'm hearing mixed things from various > sources. > > Thanks. > _______________________________________________ > juniper-nsp mailing list juniper-nsp@puck.nether.net > https://puck.nether.net/mailman/listinfo/juniper-nsp > > > _______________________________________________ > juniper-nsp mailing list juniper-nsp@puck.nether.net > https://puck.nether.net/mailman/listinfo/juniper-nsp > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ juniper-nsp mailing list juniper-nsp@puck.nether.net https://puck.nether.net/mailman/listinfo/juniper-nsp