Igor:
Sorry that I was not clear. The point of adding that
comment will be to activate "Mac Emulation" for everything on
the LAN discovered by Kaboodle. I tested it, it works.
I was going to add my PC's MAC address to the array,
as VK has suggested. But adding that one comment is much easier.
-Scott
On Mon, 15 Jul 2002, Igor Kotelevsky wrote:
> Hello Scott.
> You ask me:
> > Please try this: in SearchNetworkmanager.cpp, comment
> > out the line "bSame = False;" in the IsMacintosh() function.
> As I see from source code, if that comment will be added,
> then IsMacintosh() function will return false for any type device and
> Macintosh device doesn't will appear.
> I think that the bug
> > Now when you run Kaboodle, everything it discovers on the LAN
> > will appear in the "My Macs" icon group.
> has another reason.
> I don't know that reason.
> In my tests
> When I run Kaboodle, everything it discovers on the LAN
> will appear in the "My PC's" icon group.
> (My LAN has PC device only.)
> - Igor
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Scott C. Best" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: "Igor Kotelevsky" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Cc: "mailbox" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; "Lyapin Oleg" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>;
> "Kaboodle-devel" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Sent: Friday, July 12, 2002 11:56 PM
> Subject: Re: [Kaboodle-devel] Re: Bog Report, 4 July
>
>
> > Igor:
> > Please try this: in SearchNetworkmanager.cpp, comment
> > out the line "bSame = False;" in the IsMacintosh() function.
> > Now when you run Kaboodle, everything it discovers on the LAN
> > will appear in the "My Macs" icon group. You'll then see what
> > I mean about the VNC halo and the VNC service icon misbehaving.
> >
> > I want there to be no difference between how Kaboodle
> > treats a PC and a Mac *except* for the icon the device gets
> > when it's discoverd and which icon group it's put into.
> >
> > -Scott
> >
> >
> > On Fri, 12 Jul 2002, Igor Kotelevsky wrote:
> >
> > > Hello Scott.
> > > That your letter indicates that pseudo emulation of Macintosh for
> Kaboodle
> > > is not adequate.
> > > Please ask the author of "Macintosh" specific source code
> > > to check my source code changing and debug it.
> > >
> > > My pseudo emulation of Macintosh for Kaboodle was very simple.
> > > Kaboodle identifies type of device by means of member
> > > NID_DEVICE_ATTRIBS::m_nType.
> > > That member can be EF_NID_PC, EF_NID_MAC, etc.
> > > I has changed the type of singular fixed device from EF_NID_PC to
> EF_NID_MAC
> > > when Kaboodle receives NID data.
> > > You can find that code - it has the macros _MAC_EMULATION in the file
> > > UI\NetworkLocalView.cpp.
> > >
> > > -Igor
> > >
> > >
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: "Scott C. Best" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > > To: "Igor Kotelevsky" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > > Cc: "mailbox" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; "Lyapin Oleg" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>;
> > > "Kaboodle-devel" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > > Sent: Friday, July 12, 2002 3:57 AM
> > > Subject: Re: [Kaboodle-devel] Re: Bog Report, 4 July
> > >
> > >
> > > > Igor:
> > > > I checked your code changes today, and my Macintosh
> > > > has not gotten a VNC halo. Sorry.
> > > >
> > > > How did you emulate the device? You should be able to do
> > > > it by giving one of your PC's a MAC address which is within the MAC
> > > > address range that's assigned to Apple. Their range is specified
> > > > here: "http://standards.ieee.org/cgi-bin/ouisearch";.
> > > >
> > > > Should I ask VK to debug this?
> > > >
> > > > -Scott
> > > >
> > > > On Thu, 11 Jul 2002, Igor Kotelevsky wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > Hello Scott.
> > > > > I made some changes into "Macintosh" specific source code.
> > > > > As I wrote earlier, I don't have really Macintosh,
> > > > > so I has executed certain programmer pseudo emulation
> > > > > of Macintosh for Kaboodle.
> > > > > Now I see VNC halo on my "Macintosh" emulation device.
> > > > > But that programmer pseudo emulation is not quite safely.
> > > > > Therefore I ask you about following:
> > > > > - please check results of my changing
> > > > > (please clear Kaboodle registry key before that check),
> > > > > - please ask the author of "Macintosh" specific source code
> > > > > to check my source code changing.
> > > > > Please see my inline comments.
> > > > > - Igor
> > > > >
> > > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > > From: "Scott C. Best" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > > > > To: "Igor Kotelevsky" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > > > > Cc: "mailbox" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>;
> > > "Kaboodle-devel"
> > > > > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > > > > Sent: Wednesday, July 10, 2002 8:32 PM
> > > > > Subject: Re: [Kaboodle-devel] Re: Bog Report, 4 July
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > > Igor:
> > > > > > Let me try to explain (I'm CC'ing Oleg too, who
> > > > > > sometimes has better luck understanding my english).
> > > > > >
> > > > > > My Macintosh is running VNC. The Macintosh IP address
> > > > > > is 192.168.123.128. I'm running Kaboodle on a WinNT machine. It
> > > > > > has IP address 192.168.123.130. There is nothing else on this
> > > > > > LAN. When I start Kaboodle, it correctly puts a Macintosh icon
> > > > > > into the "My Macs" icon group. But the icon does not have a VNC
> > > > > > halo. When I open the Property Panel for the Macintosh, and go
> > > > > > to the VNC Property Tab, Kaboodle auto-detects the VNC server
> > > > > > correctly. I can enter a password and hit Connect and VNC starts
> > > > > > like it should. But if I open the VNC Service Property Panel,
> > > > > > the Macintosh is not listed in the list of servers. And although
> > > > > > the VNC server has been detected, there is no halo on the
> > > > > > Macintosh icon. If I change the icon to a Windows PC icon, the
> > > > > > halo still does not appear.
> > > > > ********************************************************************
> > > > > It was before changing:
> > > > >
> > > > > Please see the function
> > > > > void CNetworkLocalView::RebuildNIDTopology(int nIndex)
> > > > > in the file UI\NetworkLocalView.cpp.
> > > > > In that function exists block
> > > > > case EF_NID_PC: ...
> > > > > That block checks both binary flags
> > > > > 1) - bool bIsIndependentVncListner,
> > > > > which indicate that independent Vnc Server is running on PC.
> > > > > 2) - bool bKaboodleRunning,
> > > > > which indicate that Kaboodle is running on PC,
> > > > > Then that block creates a PC icon -
> > > > > AddPC( ..., ..., bKaboodleRunning, bIsIndependentVncListner, ...);
> > > > > The PC icon knows data #1, #2 and can show "VNC halo" or "Kaboodle
> > > halo".
> > > > >
> > > > > In the function
> > > > > void CNetworkLocalView::RebuildNIDTopology(int nIndex)
> > > > > also exist block
> > > > > case EF_NID_MAC: ...
> > > > > That block doesn't checks flags #1, #2 directly.
> > > > > This block immediately creates a MAC icon -
> > > > > AddMacintosh(pDevAttribs->m_DeviceID,pDevAttribs->m_strAlias,
> > > > > pDevAttribs->m_iconIndex);//@VK9
> > > > > The MAC icon doesn't knows data #1, #2 and can not show "VNC halo"
> or
> > > > > "Kaboodle halo".
> > > > >
> > > > > ********************************************************************
> > > > > It is now:
> > > > >
> > > > > In the function
> > > > > void CNetworkLocalView::RebuildNIDTopology(int nIndex)
> > > > > exist common block for PC and MAC devices
> > > > > case EF_NID_PC:
> > > > > case EF_NID_MAC: ...
> > > > > That block call the function
> > > > > CEFIcon * CNetworkLocalView::AddPC_or_Macintosh(...,
> > > > > bool bKaboodleRunning, bool bVncListner,int iconIndex, int iType)
> > > > > for both types of device.
> > > > > ********************************************************************
> > > > >
> > > > > > If I replace the Macintosh with a Windows98 PC that is
> > > > > > running VNC but is not running Kaboodle, it works correctly.
> > > > > > The VNC halo appears when it should, and the VNC Server list
> > > > > > shows the IP address of the Win98 PC. Also, the Property Panel
> > > > > > for PC's show four tabs: System Info, Components, VNC Setup,
> > > > > > and Icon Properties. For Mac's, there are only three (the
> > > > > > Components one is missing). If I change the Win98 PC's icon
> > > > > > to a Macintosh icon, the VNC halo still works correctly.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > I think this behavior is due to Kaboodle treating
> > > > > > Macintosh's different from the Win98 PC. That is, it seems to me
> > > > > > that the NID identifier which tells Kaboodle to put the Macintosh
> > > > > > into the "My Macs" icon group is *also* telling Kaboodle to not
> > > > > > treat the device like a Windows PC with regards to VNC and in
> > > > > > regards to what tabs to show in the Property Panel. Kaboodle
> > > > > > should treat Macintosh PC's and non-Kaboodle PC's the same in
> > > > > > *every way* except for the icon group and the "System Info" tab
> > > > > > in the Property Panel.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Put another way, Kaboodle should treat all devices that
> > > > > > are not Printers or Appliances in the same way. Any one of these
> > > > > > PC's (running Windows, MacOS, Linux, whatever) can have a VNC
> > > > > > halo. All of these PC's which are not running Kaboodle should
> > > > > > have the same list of Property Tabs: System Info, VNC Setup, and
> > > > > > Icon Properties ("Components" should only appear on machines that
> > > > > > are running Kaboodle). All of these PC's which are not running
> > > > > > Kaboodle should be able to get a Kaboodle halo if a user on
> > > > > > that PC started up the application.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Put another way, Kaboodle should treat the other devices
> > > > > > that it detects on the LAN in one of four ways: the device is
> > > > > > either a computer running Kaboodle, a computer not running
> > > > > > Kaboodle, a printer, or an appliance. For the second group
> > > > > > (PC's not running Kaboodle), the *only* reason that Kaboodle
> > > > > > tries to detect what operating system is running is so that
> > > > > > it can give the device a good icon. After assigning the device
> > > > > > a default icon and putting the icon into an icon group, Kaboodle
> > > > > > should stop treating a Macintosh differently from a Linux PC
> > > > > > or from a Windows PC not running Kaboodle.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Please let me know this "bug report" makes any more
> > > > > > sense now. Thanks!
> > > > > >
> > > > > > -Scott
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > On Wed, 10 Jul 2002, Igor Kotelevsky wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > > Hello Scott.
> > > > > > > I don't understand the bug.
> > > > > > > Your sounds is like
> > > > > > > - "my Macintosh running VNC, but other Kaboodle don't know that"
> or,
> > > > > > > - "my Macintosh running Kaboodle, ...".
> > > > > > > May be you install some kind of OS Windows emulator on
> Macintosh?
> > > > > > > Please send me:
> > > > > > > - LAN configuration, including type of computer and type of OS,
> > > > > > > - description what computers running Kaboodle,
> > > > > > > - your screen shot (the image that you see);
> > > > > > > - description what you _must_ see on the screen;
> > > > > > > - Igor
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > > > > From: "Scott C. Best" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > > > > > > To: "Igor Kotelevsky" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > > > > > > Cc: "mailbox" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; "Kaboodle-devel"
> > > > > > > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > > > > > > Sent: Wednesday, July 10, 2002 8:52 AM
> > > > > > > Subject: Re: [Kaboodle-devel] Re: Bog Report, 4 July
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Igor:
> > > > > > > > I checked today, and my Macintosh is still not being
> > > > > > > > treated like a PC in regards to VNC. Perhaps we should fix
> > > > > > > > this again, this time from the "icon code" or "NID type" point
> > > > > > > > of view.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > -Scott
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > On Tue, 9 Jul 2002, Scott C. Best wrote:
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > Igor:
> > > > > > > > > Okay, I think you've found the problem then. Macintosh PC's
> > > > > > > > > really should be treated as just a subset of PC's. The
> *only*
> > > > > > > > > difference should be that, at startup, they are given a
> > > different
> > > > > > > > > icon and put into a different Icon group. But *that's all*.
> So
> > > > > > > > > it sounds like your changes to CEnumAllDevice are correct.
> It
> > > > > > > > > may have been easier to just have changed the "icon code"
> > > instead.
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > Really, there are only three types of devices: PC's (ie,
> > > > > > > > > something that can run Kaboodle *or* VNC; Windows, MacOs,
> Linux,
> > > > > > > > > whatever), Printers, and Appliances (eg, a LinkSys router).
> This
> > > > > > > > > "type" field should be one of the first-most fields of the
> NID,
> > > > > > > > > I would think.
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > Ideally, the user should be able to *change* the auto-
> > > > > > > > > detected type of a device in the "Icon Property" PropTab. If
> > > they
> > > > > > > > > change, say, what we detected as a Printer to a PC, not only
> > > should
> > > > > > > > > they be able to change the icon, but the "VNC Tab" should
> appear
> > > > > > > > > in the PropPanel the next time it's opened.
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > -Scott
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > On Tue, 9 Jul 2002, Igor Kotelevsky wrote:
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > Hello Scott.
> > > > > > > > > > You wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > > > 3. If I startup a VNC server on a PC not running
> > > Kaboodle, I
> > > > > > > > > > > > > can go the the PropPanel for that device and
> connect.
> > > No
> > > > > > > > > > > > > problem. But the VNC Service icon is not listing
> the
> > > > > device
> > > > > > > > > > > > > as a server, and the VNC halo is not being put on
> the
> > > > > device
> > > > > > > > > > > > > correctly.
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > I saw similar bugs.
> > > > > > > > > > > > It was several days earlier.
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > I've some more data. It only happens for me now if the
> > > > > > > > > > > VNC server is running on a Mac. I've got two other
> machines
> > > on
> > > > > > > > > > > my LAN that run VNC: a Mac and a WinNT laptop. The WinNT
> box
> > > > > > > > > > > is treated correctly by Kaboodle: it gets a VNC halo and
> it
> > > gets
> > > > > > > > > > > listed in the VNC servers in the VNC service icon. The
> Mac,
> > > > > > > > > > > though, doesn't get either. I can use Kaboodle to VNC
> into
> > > it,
> > > > > > > > > > > but only if I go thru the device's icon.
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > Perhaps some of the code is looking at the "type" field
> > > > > > > > > > > of the NID, and only reacting to PC's, not Mac's?
> > > > > > > > > > *****************************************************
> > > > > > > > > > I don't know "MAC" part of Kaboodle's specification,
> > > > > > > > > > so all my discourses carry the approximate nature.
> > > > > > > > > > *****************************************************
> > > > > > > > > > Kaboodle source code has 30 strings which contain "type"
> field
> > > > > > > *EF_NID_PC*.
> > > > > > > > > > If your assumption is valid, then I think following.
> > > > > > > > > > Please see the class CEnumAllDevice in the file
> > > > > > > EF\ModifyRegWinVNC.cpp.
> > > > > > > > > > In the header file you can found following:
> > > > > > > > > > // This class enumerates all local object CNIDDevice which
> is
> > > PC.
> > > > > > > > > > // Own PC non include in this list.
> > > > > > > > > > That class enumerated PC device only.
> > > > > > > > > > The MAC objects were absent in Kaboodle when I wrote that
> > > class.
> > > > > > > > > > It seems to me that now the class CEnumAllDevice has to
> > > enumerate
> > > > > MAC
> > > > > > > > > > device also.
> > > > > > > > > > I added that enumerating into the class CEnumAllDevice.
> > > > > > > > > > But I must to underline next.
> > > > > > > > > > Current Kaboodle source code uses the class CEnumAllDevice
> in
> > > > > > > following
> > > > > > > > > > cases:
> > > > > > > > > > 1) - for VNC autodetection;
> > > > > > > > > > 2) - for filling list of VNC service icon;
> > > > > > > > > > 3) - for filling list of "Modify list" dialog
> > > > > > > > > > (please see "VNC setup" prop tab on server side);
> > > > > > > > > > 4) - for filling list of File Transfer service icon;
> > > > > > > > > > 5) - for filling list of "Accept files only from machines
> > > in..."
> > > > > > > dialog
> > > > > > > > > > (please see "Receive file" prop tab in File Transfer
> service
> > > > > icon).
> > > > > > > > > > Now all of #1-#5 will include not only PC devices, but
> also
> > > MAC
> > > > > > > devices.
> > > > > > > > > > Please let me know if it is not correct.
> > > > > > > > > > *****************************************************
> > > > > > > > > > Sorry, I didn't have a MAC PC in my LAN, so I cannot check
> > > above.
> > > > > > > > > > *****************************************************
> > > > > > > > > > Some other developers (I and Oleg) saw that bug on non MAC
> PC.
> > > > > > > > > > So I think that source code have also other NID updating
> bug.
> > > > > > > > > > *****************************************************
> > > > > > > > > > -Igor
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