Dear Friends,
Below is a special issue devoted to the recent events at the fascist rally in York. One of our principles is to never permit fascists to get away with anything. Since they delayed roughly eight issues of the journal we will respond by publishing eight additional special issues. This is the fourth. __________________________________________________________________________ The Internet Anti-Fascist: Sunday, 13 January 2002 Vol. 6, Number 5 (#640) __________________________________________________________________________ 01) AP , "Pennsylvania city tense during white supremacy gathering," 12 Jan 02 02) Baltimore IndyMedia, "Neonazis run out of York: Black bloc and the working class (black, white, puerto rican, jewsish, men, women, young and old) kick the nazis out of York," 12 Jan 02 03) Rahowaskins, "York Event A 'Fantastic Success,' Hale Says," 13 Jan 02 04) August B. Kreis III (Aryan Nations), "Meeting at York, Pa. Martin Library," 12 Jan 02 05) Bill White (Libertarian Socialist [sic!]), "Rioting In York After Rallies Clash: ARA, Anarchists Decimated By Cops, Skinheads Lose Dozens Of People," 12 Jan 02 06) via redskins, "Rioting In York After Antifa/Fascist Rallies," 12 Jan 02 -------------------------------------------------------------------------- 01) Pennsylvania city tense during white supremacy gathering AP 12 Jan 02 YORK, Pennsylvania -- Several dozen police officers in riot gear kept demonstrators at bay on Saturday as white supremacists gathered to bring their message of racial segregation to a city still feeling the lingering effects of deadly race riots more than 30 years ago. Only a few white supremacists were on hand by midmorning, with more expected to arrive for a meeting aimed at recruiting new members and advocating an end to immigration. Witnesses reported a clash between the white supremacists and demonstrators, although police did not confirm it. Matthew Hale, the leader of the white supremacist group World Church of the Creator, has organized a meeting Saturday at which he planned to recruit new members and advocate for an end to immigration. Representatives of Hale's organization and three other white supremacist groups -- the National Socialist Movement, the Aryan Nation and the National Alliance -- were expected to attend. Hale's scheduled speech has stoked fears of violence and anxiety over York's ability to withstand such a divisive message. Two Hale appearances in Illinois in 2000 ended in violence, with people arrested after each melee. Several anti-racist groups known for provoking fights with white supremacists were also expected in York on Saturday. Cathy Ash, the director of the city's human relations commission, thought it was logical to try to talk Hale out of convening the meeting. She said she was shocked by the e-mail reply she received earlier this month. "I won't repeat the words he used about the difficulties in York and whose fault they were," Ash said. Hale, in a telephone interview Thursday from his home East Peoria, Illinois, where his group is based, elaborated on his response to Ash and his reasons for coming to York. "I told her that people like her that wish to integrate the country are trying to destroy the country," he said. Since police began making arrests over the summer in York's 1969 race riots, former Mayor Charlie Robertson and eight other white men have been charged with murdering a black woman visiting from South Carolina. Also, two black men are charged with murdering a white York policeman. Hale said he specifically picked York for his appearance because of its high profile in race relations and because Pennsylvania has been a hotbed of racial division. On Friday, the windows of various downtown businesses and offices in York, a racially mixed town of 41,000 in central Pennsylvania, displayed posters and banners promoting diversity. State, city and federal authorities were to provide security Saturday, including blocking off several streets around the library where Hale is making his speech. They also planned to frisk for weapons and escort Hale in and out of the building, police said. A library conference room was reserved in November by Michael Cook, director of the World Church's York-area chapter, who told the library that his "church" would be meeting there, officials said. It was only this month that library officials found out that this church was actually a white supremacist group. Library officials researched the legality of canceling the event and decided that such an action would not hold up. That the event was allowed evoked a sense of betrayal from some York residents and a fear that race relations could suffer. "We thought it was just a joke at first," said black 12-year-old Na'Kwai DeShields, waiting in the rain for the library to open Friday. "And we thought people would try to keep them from coming." Many residents grudgingly acknowledged Hale's right to express his views. But others were less accommodating. "(The library) made the easy choice, but the wrong choice," said the Rev. David McCullough of the predominantly white Asbury United Methodist church, near the library. "There's a time to say 'No."' Mark Potok, who tracks hate groups for the Southern Poverty Law Center, said such organizations have been cooperating with each other to a greater degree since September 11, often targeting places like York that are weathering racial strife. McCullough said that, while the matter can't be ignored, he expected that the community would emerge stronger. "These events bring out the worst in people," he said. "But they also bring out the best in people." - - - - - 02) Neonazis run out of York: Black bloc and the working class (black, white, puerto rican, jewsish, men, women, young and old) kick the nazis out of York Baltimore IndyMedia 12 Jan 02 Anti-racists showed up early morning in York, scouting locations and smashing all the white supremacist vehicles they could find with small scuffles with any white supremacists they could find. The black bloc marched around for awhile, found some hammerskins in a parking lot and scuffled before the police divided the two groups. Everyone went around the corner and there the Nazis were held for about 3 hours during Hale's speech (which people opposed to Hale form York took up much of the space so that nazis couldn't attend, rumored that it got so crowded the cops shut the meeting down and pushed everyone back to the street). People chanted and yelled, and a few people were arrested after some snowballs were thrown. When the library emptied out, that's when we saw more National Alliance people like Bill Roper and Erica Hardwick. All this time the anti-racist side continues to swell as it is joined by the working class in all the diversity that is in York: black, white, puerto rican, jewsish, men, women, young and old. When the white supremacists tried to leave as the police protected their exit, local kids led folks through an alley (York is a maze of alleys, they are everywhere), to confront the nazis. The nazis got beat on for awhile before the cops were able to come to their defense. They push everyone back (the bloc is now dissolved throughout the community), and police attacks and arbitrary arrests of black bloc and York locals continues to piss off the crowd and build solidarity. A black blocker had her arm broken (or atleast severly injured) in this confrontation, but the anti-racists dished out more damage than they took. At this point everyone is in the parking lot where the Hammerskins originally carpooled, and the police had abandonded it to protect the nazis. Many of the vehicles are adorned with confederate and other white power stickers in their windows, those windows don't last much longer as the black bloc begins to demolish them. The cops make several charges to clear the lot to allow nazis to get to their vandalized trucks. Again the cops continue arbitrary arrests even harassing the medics, which really turns the crowd against them. Most of the easy exits from the parking lot are blocked by clumps of protestors. Repeated efforts by the cops to clear a path through the crowd fail. Eventually, the police have the nazis trying to escape down an alley. Local crews lead the black bloc the way through alleys to catch the nazis at the other end. At one of these alleyways one of the nazis trys to run down the crowd with his white pickup truck hitting atleast one person (black bloc, sprained shoulder by He's doing well :), possibly others, including a young local girl which again really pisses of the locals. The nazi flees back down the alley toward the parking lot, where the cops sieze his truck. Now whatever nazis could escape, try to going along different routes and protesters attack them everywhere they find them, alley to alley, street to street. Lots of busted windows and bloody nazi faces. In one confrontation with another white pickup truck with white supremacist stickers, busted out windows and packed with nazis... after being attacked by a crowd, on of the nazis waves a gun and the crowd backs down. Elsewhere nazis are harrassed and chased out of the city. Literally, they were run out of town. There were 25 arrests, mostly for disorderly conduct who were all released by the evening. Two people had bails set at $500, which were paid, and another has a bail of $25,000 and been charged with "assaulting a police horse". The best part of it all is that they were run out of town by multi-racial working class crews spontaneously organized (though using the organized anarchist/anti-racist action presence as a seed to grow) kicked the nazis out of town. - - - - - 03) York Event A "Fantastic Success," Hale Says Rahowaskins 13 Jan 02 Reverend Matt Hale, leader of the White racist and anti-Semitic World Church of the Creator who spoke in York, Pennsylvania yesterday to seventy supporters inside Martin Library and with hundreds of supporters outside, today announced that the event was a "fantastic success" and that he will be coming back to York "very, very soon". Below is the complete statement from Reverend Hale: Our meeting yesterday in York was one of our most successful to date. We both had a full house as well as hundreds of Brothers and Sisters outside who stood tall for the Cause and fought with their fists and whatever other means necessary to fend off the maniacal anti-racist and black savage mobs that formed. The anti-racists paid dearly for their attacks upon our great comrades who demonstrated the courage and virility of their ancestors and I am thus most proud. Hail to all of these comrades! We have forever stripped away the lie of the controlled mass media that we are a "fringe" group or that we lack public support. Hardly! We are instead the rising star of social activists who are determined to liberate our land from those who have sought to pillage and debase it. We are the rising star of true Americans who no longer want America to simply be a vassal state of other lands or a place where anything on two legs can come to and steal what is rightfully ours. We are on the ascendancy and the "anti-racist" camp is becoming more and more bankrupt in the eyes of the public as well as their own supporters. The violence the anti-racists perpetrated against us yesterday, as well as completely innocent bystanders, has severely hurt the anti-racist cause. As a consequence, their numbers will only decrease and ours will only increase. Already yesterday, our total forces exceeded those of the anti- racists and one day, before long, our numbers will dwarf theirs. I wish to specifically at this time extend my continued comradeship to all of my White Brothers and Sisters who stood together yesterday who regardless of whatever flag they fly or whatever organization, if any, they belong to, stood rank and rank together for the truest uniform there is: their White skin. Further, tomorrow I will be announcing my return trip to Pennsylvania for an event that will absolutely captivate people everywhere and will practically spin the earth off of its axis! For now, know that I am coming back to Pennsylvania next month to reap further gains for our great Cause begun yesterday! I will be coming back to York very, very soon. For further information, contact Reverend Hale at (309) 694-4444. - - - - - 04) Meeting at York, Pa. Martin Library August B. Kreis III (Aryan Nations) 12 Jan 02 I am outraged at the way that security was handled by the York police authorities for the meeting called by Matt Hale Jan 12th at the Martin Library. I and fellow Aryan Nations members were in attendance at this meeting. What was York's plan, protect the library at all cost? What happened to the security of the people attending? Because we were WHITE, there was none! We stopped at the police department the evening before the meeting and requested to speak to the person in charge of security for the following day. After waiting 40 minutes or so and speaking to someone to notify the "authorities" we were willing to fully cooperate with their security plan we realized that these people had no idea of what they were doing, or did they? Now I read that a young man was attacked in his car, AS WERE WE (vehicle damaged and windows smashed out), frightened because his windows were smashed and he had been pepper sprayed by the MOB who were preparing to drag him from his pickup truck. In turn he hit the gas pedal and ran over a few of them. You can be assured that if I were driving I would have left bloodied bodies all over the place! WE WILL ATTEND ANY SHAM TRIAL YORK HAS IN THIS YOUNG MAN'S BEHALF! We too found ourselves cornered and being surrounded by a mob of communist muds and came very close to using our vehicle as a battering ram to get through a police squad car barricade used to close off the street. This entire situation could have been handled MUCH differently IF York was concerned for the safety of the White public. It became very apparent that the police were were instructed to control the law abiding instead of the roving bans of savage negro beasts and their ilk. We endured forced disarming, being provoked while anyone defending themselves would be arrested. We will not tolerate this, we will defend ourselves. We did not plan this meeting nor the security of it. For future events we shall plan our own security. The police did not arrest rioters, or those violators concealing their identity, or derelicts openly wielding weapons, none of them were arrested. However they forced us to break up outside of the barricades and go our own way through the mobs to reach our vehicles, we suffered no causalities. Being white is mind as well as race, only one cop escorted several individuals to their vehicles while the rest would not. Any white, whether police officer or not, that either overtly or covertly causes us harm or intends to cause us harm is also an enemy of the White Race. They should be dealt with as one deals with a SAVAGE NEGRO BEAST or any enemy of the White Race. I believe that all the Pro-White organizations that attended this meeting will have to call future meetings at York's Martin Library until the city gets it right! This is a suggestion I am making to all that attended this fiasco! We can NOT allow ANYTHING like this to ever transpire again without leaving DEAD bodies of the enemy scattered EVERYWHERE! I left York a changed man no longer caring for ANYTHING non-white, they are nothing but SCUM! If our race does not wake up and fight back as a whole there will be no future for the White Race in this country or anywhere! * * * * * Pastor August B. Kreis III is the Aryan Nations Minister of Information & Propaganda. - - - 05) Rioting In York After Rallies Clash: ARA, Anarchists Decimated By Cops, Skinheads Lose Dozens Of People Bill White (Libertarian Socialist [sic!]) 12 Jan 02 [Within the anarchist and left-libertarian movements, White is widely regarded as one of the more dishonest forces attracted to the fascist movement. WHite's story is featured on the Aryan Nations web site. -- tallpaul] York, PA-- I just got back from York, and here's the bottom line: Between one quarter and one half of the anarchist black block forces who attempted to challenge the National Alliance, World Church of the Creator and Hammerskins were either arrested, beaten, shot at, or run over by a truck after launching several failed attacks on the white supremacist group. Less than a dozen Nazis were injured or arrested. Approxaimtely 250 combined white supremacists, approximately 100 anti-racist anarchists, and approximately 300 mostly black York residents were involved in the incidents. Those of you who have never seen a truck hit a wall of people at forty or fifty miles an hour could've seen it in York today, because one Hammerskin, after being surrounded by an angry mob who was breaking his windows and trying to pull him for his pickup panicked, hit the accelerator, and wiped ARA out. Literally dozens of ARA people were injured most of them were either arrested or limped away refusing medical treatment. The driver was arrested and may be charged with aggravated assault with a vehicle if he is, I will testify in his defense. According to police, National Alliance/Hammerskin/WCOTC members used firearms to defend themselves against ARA on at least three occassions. Shots were reportedly fired in at least one instance. In two of the incidents people were arrested and then released, as the weapons were legally and used legally in self-defense. Police stated 25 ARA activists were arrested. 1 who run over by the truck was hospitalized with serious injuries. I would estimate about 1/3 of those who got away were injured, about 1/3 roamed the town nearly successfully starting a race riot, and about 1/3 left. Now, let me give you the whole story in chrnological order. I woke up at 6:00 AM this morning. I was supposed to be accompanied by two LSN reporters, neither of whom called me the morning, one of whom left me a message last night at 11:00 PM. Note to this person: You cannot pull out of something like this 7 hours beforehand when other people are counting on you. I am dissappointed. I arrived in York about 8:45. I got to the library area just after 9:00. The police there were clueless. I kept asking about media and public access tot he event, and they told me none of their commanders would be there until 10:00. About 9:50 the violence started. The anarchist black block ws romaing the streets assaulting people they thought looked "too white". Really, they were a racist anti-white mob consisting almost entirely of white kids and Jews. According to the police briefing and other journalists I spoke to, they assaulted several civilian white people not involved in the demonstrations and at least one journalist. The first incident of violence I witnessed was when they attacked a truck with two NA organizers and broke out its windows. After some confusion I got a press pass. Daryle Jenkins, who created a phony press pass with the name of a newspaper in Ohio that doesn't exist, got in no problem. I had an argument over my credentials. Eventually I got in. Daryle spent quite a bit of time behind the lines phoning people in the protest telling them what the police were planning to do with Hale and others. I talked to the other reporters and discoverd that Jenkins had called all the local newspapers beforehand and told them I was a racist neo-Nazi organizer of the event. At least one reporter told me he had "seemed weird" on the phone, and I think there were only about two reporters who bought it one who asked me if I was an organizer of the event, which I wasn't, and another who kept giving me weird looks. The first interesting thing of the day came when about 150 members of the Hammerskin Nation, with about a dozen Aryan Nations organizers in the lead, turned a corner and came marching around waving giant swastika flags. About 50 more joined them a few moments later. The media pool area was awful we couldn't see anything but we had seen the Black Block running to and then from that area moments before. The police had to deploy all their on site troopers and all their reserve squadrons to keep the two groups apart. Then the National Alliance came up with about 50 more peple from another direction making it about 250 right wing people in all. The black block had about 100 people in it, and it appeared that a lot of the other socialist groups simply didn't come. I heard the JDL sent out two people. It was peaceful and quiet and boring for about an hour, so I decided to turn my media badge in, walk around, and start talking to people. I walked over to where the NA was and was surprised to see Billy Roper standing there, on the phone with Matt Hale, wondering why he can't get in to speak. It turns out that the police, who has set up a secret meeting place with Roper and the NA and promised them a secure entrance to the area, had abandoned them at the last minute and forced them to find their own way there. This may have been miscommunication, because none of the law enforcement agencies there seemed to know what the others were doing. In the morning, for instance, an infantry unit in camofaluage carrying H&K MP3s, shotguns and sniper rifles, had deployed in two of the buildings. At the end of the day, the police officials had difficulty telling me who the guys were and whether they had actually been carrying submachineguns and shotguns. So anyways I say to Roper "you know there's a hundred and fifty people around the corner from the Hammerskins and Aryan Nations." And he goes "No I didn't know they were here." So he then orders his people to march around the corner to where the Hammerskins / Aryan Nations are. This of course was the act that led to almost all of the arrests and violence. All of you can thank me for that I guess (though that certainly wasn't the intent.) Roper and his crew march through this alley to the other demonstration. This immediately sets the anti-racists, who have by now been supplemented by about 300 members of that impoverished black residential area I mentioned, into a flurry, and they attempt to attack Roper. The police, being dumb, do not allow Roper's people to walk into the area they have already secured for the hammerskins. This means that the police now have to secure a front that is twice as long, and they have to secure a back alleyway. No surprise that that anti-racist crowd, seeing the police do not have enough officers on scene to do this, surges and begins throwing rocks, bricks and snowballs. Several black fellows also attack the NA from the alley behind, though the NA beats them off. At this point at least one ARA guy was arrested. I am told that a few had already been arrested earlier that morning, but this was the first arrest I was in a vantage point to see. Eventually the police realize that is they just let the NA walk over to and hang out with the Hammerskins, they can secure them, and they do so, and they secure them, and everything is quiet for another hour. Then the NA tries to leave and the violence starts. The two Hammerskins who skipped out early and got their truck were smart. All of the Nazis are now instructed to leave through this alleyway. The police deploy two mounted officers and one foot officers to secure this against a mob of about 250 people who follow. Not surprisingly, the mob simply runs through the holes in the police defense and attacks the NA- WCOTC-HS with clubs. The skinheads respond by taking the clubs from the ARA starting to beat the shit out of them. I saw at least one ARA activist surrounded by skinheads wielding the pole of his own black and red flag getting the crap kicked out of him. Several of the skinheads get bloody noses or otherwise bloodied from the initial ambush attack, but they quickly seem to master the situation (though the fact that a police charge dispersed most of the non-trapped behind skinhead lines ARA activists may have played a role.) I am told several individuals were arrested at this point. The Hammerskins then go to their cars. If they had read this news service, they would have known not to have parked in the parking lot behind the ARA rally. Not being LSN readers, they didn't know this, and as they start to pack up they notice that the ARA activists are breaking all of the windows out of one of their trucks. A fight then ensues between baton wielding Hammerskins, baton wielding police officers, and baton wielding anarchists. Two Hammerskins are detained at this point, but I saw at least one of them released. I think another may have been arrested. I will state for the record that none of the Hammerskins attacked the police, but several struck back in self-defense after the police struck them with batons. The anarchists mostly fleed at this point. Then comes a period of uneasy calm as about 70 Hammerskins and NA people (the rest dispersed through side streets) are surrounded in this parking lot by about 60 remaining ARA activists and about 300 mostly black local residents. Those of you who remember that scene from Zulu will know what I mean when I say I felt like singing "Men of Harlech on to glory ..." I almost did, but then I realized I would probably lose my neutral status as a member of the press. Eventually, the police screw up again. They tell the Hammerskins to drive out fo the parking lot though the alley they came in. No surprise when the Hammerskins come around the corner and there is a mob of ARA guys attacking them. The police tell this guy to drive his truck forward behind a Sherrif's car. The Sherriff's car goes forward through the crowd, and then he goes forward, and ARA pounces on him. They jump on his truck and begin hitting it with clubs. They then take his flagpoles out of his truck bed and begin to try to break his windows. Then they grab him and try to drag him out of the truck. The guy does about the only thing he can to save his life and I do believe his life was in danger. He panics, hits the gas, the wheels spin, and he rockets forward, sending ARA activists literally flying through the air. One guy who was on top of his cab appeared to have landed on the other side of a fence. The police then charge, and the show is over for ARA. More than a dozen ARA guys are arrested (as is the guy driving the truck). How many people were hurt, I don't know. Only one person, an ARA guy who wa not arrested, was hospitalized. One of the black residents and several of the loudest black residents were obviously intoxicated begins yelling that he has run over a little black girl. This later turns out not to be true. No matter. Race riots begin. The police eventually get control of the situation, get the NA and Hammerskin people to their car, and give them directions North out of the city to avoid the black and ARA mobs which are now inciting passerbys on the street and growing on several street corners. Several of the NA/Hammerskins who didn't get the word drive South. I did not witness any of these incidents, but I spoke to reporters who did, and these were alter confirmed by the police. ARA attacked cars with skinheads in them in at least three places. In all three places the skinheads in the car drew handguns and threatened the crowd with them. In at least one case shots were fired (a reporter told me he heard a "pop pop pop" sound, saw smoke, and saw people go running screaming "shots fired" that sounds like "shots fired" to me, though the police later said they could not confirm the incident). In all three instances, the NA members successfully defended themselves, and the mobs went looking for easier targets. According to police, in two instances, the skinheads involved were detained and then released after they produced legal carry permits (didn't I tell you?). Phalaznes of twenty to fifty police officers then began to march through the city dispersing crowds of mostly black local youth. In one instance, I saw a crowd of black youth surround a city bus which three skinheads were riding in, and the police escorted those skinheads out. The black residents seemed much less willing to use violence than ARA, though I did see one instance where one of the formally mentioned possibly intoxicated black youth was arrested after apparently punching a police horse. I arrived at the press center just after 3:00, and I was told that the press conference was delayed until 4:30 while the police suppressed the remaining disorder. At 4:20 the conference began. So that was my day. Wow. Let me sum this up this way: if ARA has two more events like this, so many of their activists will be arrested or in jail that there will no anarchists left free from the Ohio River Valley to Massachusetts. And let me also say that I really felt bad for a lot of the skinheads. None of them appeared to have expected this kind of violent attack on them, and I don't think they knew how to react. I would suggest that the National Alliance or the Hammerskin Nation begin drilling their people in how to respond in a civil disturbance starting with the basic instruction to NOT BREAK RANKS when charging either a police line or a mob. The skinheads fought back best when they were attacked in an enclosed space while marching in formation. They fought worse when they attacked without clear leadership in a dispersed fashion an in anger when they saw their truck broken. As to ARA, I'm starting to think ARA and the black block are hopeless. They are mindlessly violent. Several of the reporters there said they had such a low opinion of ARA that their only thought was how to slam this kind of "anti- racism" and get it approved by the editor. Several white reporters privately told me that they felt the white supremacists had treated them well, that they had been disrespected by the ARA, and that after seeing how the ARA behaved they thought the statements made by Matt Hale against blacks and Jews (broadcast to the press by a live feed through a monitor in the media pit) were partially justified. All of that is a bit scary, but it is showing that things are changing. The anti-racist activists in York were badly outnumbered, and were lucky that so many of the city's black residents were willing to join them, or the heavy losses taken by ARA would've been much heavier. The Nazis came out stronger than I though they would, leaving over 150 people in the street even after 80 of them had filled up the library. It looked liked a Nazi march in Germany not a "neo-Nazi march", but one of those old Nazi marches with swastikas and everything -- except the uniforms. I guess all of that falls into the thing about "discipline." - - - - - 06) Rioting In York After Antifa/Fascist Rallies via redskins 12 Jan 02 Spoke wit [deleted] on the ground. Seems the fash report is not true as to those hurt by the truck. As a metter of fact, what is only true of the fash report is that there where riots by the community, specially blacks and latinos (mainly ricans), and that there where fash arrested for firearm violations. All in all, it seems this is the lowdown: 1) The community response from the black and latinos overwhelming. 500+. The black bloc consisted of about 100. 50 or so from Baltimore, 50 or so from Philly, plus assorted folks from all over the east coast. Redskins from boston, new york and new jersey where present. It was well run black front, no security breaches on the key collectives. 2) Intelligence before the activity was very good. A large percentage of the fash cars were destroyed or badly mangleled. Meeting points where know to key people way before. 3) All in all it seems it was a cop riot, and the actual anti-fash work was of a quality unknown in the east coast for a while. It was buffalo-style hit-and-run urban guerilla, under the cover of the race riot. 4) AFA had jackshit to do with it. * * * * * In accordance with Title 17 U.S.C. section 107, this material is distributed without profit or payment to those who have expressed a prior interest in receiving this information for non-profit research and educational purposes only. __________________________________________________________________________ FASCISM: We have no ethical right to forgive, no historical right to forget. (No permission required for noncommercial reproduction) - - - - - back issues archived via: <ftp://ftp.nyct.net/pub/users/tallpaul/publish/tinaf/>