On 4/4/07, Andrew Lentvorski <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
Most of the stuff you mentioned people are keeping an eye on (I know that I am), but they're a bit early yet. The usefulness is not yet established even for someone like me, who is a early adopter.
My point is that they are early. I am glad you agree.
Bob La Quey wrote: > Mashups in general ... i.e. web services replace a lot > of general purpose programing and introduce a lot of > new problems. > http://www.programmableweb.com/ Mashups don't excite me. They can be useful, but they are ultimately parasitic. They sponge off of the resources of others. I'm not a big fan of that.
Not really. You could say the same thing about the Internet. It is just that at a higher level. Uses computing as well as communications though. email sponges off the resources of others, etc. That is damn near the main idea of the Internet. Besides new economic models are there to take care of the parasitism. I don't see Google suffering. Do you?
> AJAX, Just use Google to learn more. Verdict is still out, IMO. AJAX is basically a premature optimization for a lack of local storage and bandwidth. If we actually had 10-base-T connections and browsers could use the hard drive, then Javascript+Browser is equivalent to App+Computer and AJAX really doesn't buy us anything.
Portability, access from any terminal. For example, gmail is turning out to be a big win for me. Beats the hell out of previous local mail client.s for me, especially when I travel.
I'm not particularly interested in twisting my brain for something that is either A) likely to go away shortly or B) means the US gets left behind on the web because bandwidth doesn't jump.
We could bet ;)
> Amazon Web Services, > http://www.amazon.com/AWS-home-page-Money/b/ref=sc_fe_l_1_3435361_1/102-9997376-9108939?ie=UTF8&node=3435361&no=3435361&me=A36L942TSJ2AJA Ummm, I'm kinda the person who brought that up originally. I also gave a presenation a *long* time ago for the Python group about using Amazon from Python (which, sadly, no longer works). I have been tracking EC2 and S3. Until Amazon gets some latency problems worked out, they're good for backup and that's about it.
latency on pipes between EC2 instances or storage latency. Do you have numbers or a reference? I would like to know.
> Google's BigTable > http://labs.google.com/papers/bigtable.html Dunno. I guess I'll go look at it when I have something in the petabyte range.
Guys I know do. There are the beginnings of Open Source for this kind of thing.
> Instead of Asterisk look at Freeswitch > http://www.freeswitch.org/ > <...> > BTW, FreeSwitch runs on EC2 ... nuff said. Not an area I'm particularly interested in right now, but I would expect that Tracy keeps up with it.
Tracy, care to comment?
In addition, EC2 has horrible latency and would be absolutely anathema to something like FreeSwitch.
Again latency on pipes betweeen EC2 instances or? And compared to say Freeswitch running across the big bad Interent ala many a normal VOIP implementation. I really would like to see some data latency for established EC2 instances communicating. Since they are presumably within the Amazon cloud it is hard for me to see how it could be worse than stuff that runs over the public Internet. mayybe we are thinking about different things. I guess I will have to go looking for latency and EC2. BobLQ -- [email protected] http://www.kernel-panic.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/kplug-list
