On 4/5/07, Stewart Stremler <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
begin quoting Bob La Quey as of Wed, Apr 04, 2007 at 06:31:29PM -0700:
> On 4/4/07, Stewart Stremler <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
[snip]
> >Isn't google the parasite? Parasites don't suffer, hosts do.
>
> You have it backwards. Gootgle is the host for many a Mashup.
> For instance, all kinds of services are being built on top of Google
> Maps.
>
> What pays for them? Advertising.
Okay, my reference was oblique. I shouldn't have expected you to catch
it. My bad.
So what was your reference too?
[snip]
> >What, do you use kiosks or something?
>
> Any Internet cafe that has a browser. That is a pretty large
> universe in this world. I can find that in surprisingly remote places.
So yes, a kiosk.
Call it whatever you want. I really do not care. All I want is ubiquity.
> >If so, I suspect my trust boundaries are far different from yours.
>
> Yeh right. Everybody cannot wait to steal your email, lol.
You misunderstand.
It's the booming underground economy that bothers me. Leaking a few
email messages isn't a problem... but leaking 'em ALL is, because I
think that would provide information of use to the sorts of folks
who don't care who I am, really, but want to take advantage of my
resources nonetheless.
Hmm ... and just what are these precious resources of yours?
> If that really sticks in your craw encrypt messages and send them as
> attachments.
Duh. That's dumb. Encrypting messages on hardware I can't trust is
a waste of time.
Ok, then I will give you your little encrypter all of your own that
you can plug into a usb port. Say it is a keyboard.
Hmm that might work :)
I might be tempted to buy one.
Oh no. Worried about screen scraping , etc. Not good enough
for sure. I guess it has to have its own screen too :(
Or maybe do text to speech to elimenate the screen,
keep it small and cheap.
> Cannot stand the thought that some one might know you are
> sending email to somewhere ... use a little steganography.
Your conception of what you think my threats are is...interesting.
Misguided. But interesting nonetheless.
So why don't you amplify your fears of this underground. So I do
not have to guess.
> >I want something the size of a PDA when not in use, and a laptop in use.
>
> I want something as ubiquitous as the telephone ... oh not secure
> the CIA is probably listening to your phone calls. Yep all 6 billion
> of us.
The CIA has better ways of doing that.
You seem to presume that sheer numbers make the problem intractable;
but it's not, not really. It's merely tedious and boring, and guess
what... computers are REALLY GOOD with tedious and boring[1].
People are far more inventive than governments. So despite the
tendency of all governments and other large organizations toward
fascism I am relatively optimistic.
I suspect on this as many things we have fundamentally different
outlooks.
> I guess it is useful for BOFHs to be paranoid but you don't really
> expect the rest of us to care do you? Its your job, take care of us.
Oh, we know how to do that. You'll one day see the rise of the
exalted priesthood in our temples of glass and blinkenlights, and
you'll have to beg us for access to your life.
Not really. The "power" of system admins and such is to bring
down systems but they are psychologically incapable of such
rebellion. It would be like killing their parents.
Other people will always control the technicians.
Welcome to the future. It's going to suck.
Why don't you elaborate.
> > >Isn't google the parasite? Parasites don't suffer, hosts do.
>
> You have it backwards. Gootgle is the host for many a Mashup.
> For instance, all kinds of services are being built on top of Google
> Maps.
>
> What pays for them? Advertising.
Okay, my reference was oblique. I shouldn't have expected you to catch
it. My bad.
So what was your reference too?
[snip]
> >What, do you use kiosks or something?
>
> Any Internet cafe that has a browser. That is a pretty large
> universe in this world. I can find that in surprisingly remote places.
So yes, a kiosk.
Call it whatever you want. I really do not care. All I want is ubiquity.
> >If so, I suspect my trust boundaries are far different from yours.
>
> Yeh right. Everybody cannot wait to steal your email, lol.
You misunderstand.
It's the booming underground economy that bothers me. Leaking a few
email messages isn't a problem... but leaking 'em ALL is, because I
think that would provide information of use to the sorts of folks
who don't care who I am, really, but want to take advantage of my
resources nonetheless.
Hmm ... and just what are these precious resources of yours?
> If that really sticks in your craw encrypt messages and send them as
> attachments.
Duh. That's dumb. Encrypting messages on hardware I can't trust is
a waste of time.
Ok, then I will give you your little encrypter all of your own that
you can plug into a usb port. Say it is a keyboard.
Hmm that might work :)
I might be tempted to buy one.
Oh no. Worried about screen scraping , etc. Not good enough
for sure. I guess it has to have its own screen too :(
> Cannot stand the thought that some one might know you are
> sending email to somewhere ... use a little steganography.
Your conception of what you think my threats are is...interesting.
Misguided. But interesting nonetheless.
So why don't you amplify your fears of this underground. So I do
not have to guess.
> >I want something the size of a PDA when not in use, and a laptop in use.
>
> I want something as ubiquitous as the telephone ... oh not secure
> the CIA is probably listening to your phone calls. Yep all 6 billion
> of us.
The CIA has better ways of doing that.
You seem to presume that sheer numbers make the problem intractable;
but it's not, not really. It's merely tedious and boring, and guess
what... computers are REALLY GOOD with tedious and boring[1].
People are far more inventive than governments. So despite the
tendency of all governments and other large organizations toward
facism I am relatively optimistic.
I suspect on this as many things we have fundamentally different
outlooks.
> I guess it is useful for BOFHs to be paranoid but you don't really
> expect the rest of us to care do you? Its your job, take care of us.
Oh, we know how to do that. You'll one day see the rise of the
exalted priesthood in our temples of glass and blinkenlights, and
you'll have to beg us for access to your life.
Not really. The "power" of system admins and such is to bring
down systems but they are psychologically incapable of such
rebellion. It would be like killing their parents.
Other people have always and will always control the technicians.
Welcome to the future. It's going to suck.
Why don't you elaborate.
BobLQ
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